"So what?" Ding Yicheng asked.

"You may think that the so-called indie game is a game that is completed independently without the purpose of commercial distribution, but I don't think so."

"The biggest difference between commercial games and indie games is that one of the biggest cores is to make money, while the other is expression. Express the subjective attitude of the game maker, his understanding and view of the world, and let the player feel what he wants the player to feel, story, feelings, joys and sorrows, kindness or malice. ”

"For me, it's a real game, it's the same as all the artistic creations of movies, music, novels, just different mediums."

Ding Yifeng was stunned for a moment: "It's too high, right...... You're at once. ”

"Didn't you ask me to find you a new stalk, what I really want to do, it is impossible to be approved in a company like Huang Yi, it was impossible before, it is impossible now, and it is unlikely in the next many years."

Ding Yifeng asked again: "Then didn't you also make "Eternity" and "Immortal Dao", how could Huang Yi not approve it?" As soon as he said that, he felt that he was asking too much.

"That's because employees also have to eat, and their efforts have to be rewarded. I can't ask all the gamers to think the same way I do, but I still have to guarantee their jobs. ”

Ding Yicheng said: "You are accumulating capital...... And then take it and splurge ......"

Ye Shenxi took another sip of wine and continued: "You entered a big company like Huang Yi as soon as you graduated from graduate school, I remember it in 2002. ”

"Yes."

"So you don't know the indie gamers before 2000, forget it, don't talk about it that far, just now how many indie gamers in 2007 can eat enough by making games?"

Ding Yicheng shook his head: "I don't know." "He doesn't really know much about the indie gaming scene.

"Most of today's indie gamers are part-time and rely on the income from other jobs to support their dreams of making games. At that time, there was not a single indie game that could survive until now. ”

"They either joined or created their own game companies, started online games, and more changed careers to other industries, or went back to continue their studies, graduated and found jobs, some opened a commissary, a small restaurant, quit, and then lived like this for the rest of their lives."

Ye Shenxi laughed at himself: "Actually, it sounds pretty good...... Yes, it's really hard to starve people to death these days, why can't you afford to eat a mouthful of food, you can't hold on to it, you don't have to do a game. ”

"But they once had enthusiasm and sincerity, their love for games, and their dreams that they persevered but failed to stick to in the end, they also had to be thrown into their memories and buried, or they would occasionally dig them out and dry them after a long time, and sometimes they would be a little unwilling to think about it in the rest of their lives."

Ye Shenxi looked directly into Ding Yicheng's eyes, word by word: "But the word unwilling is poisonous, do you know?" ”

"It will be like snakes, insects, rats and ants that have been crawling on the flesh of your heart, leaving paw prints, tickling the itch in your heart from time to time, and you have nowhere to vent."

"You can only ask yourself over and over again why, why didn't you persevere, why did this life be so wasted, why was it so unsatisfactory, why so many things you wanted to do turned into regrets, why didn't you choose another one at the fork in the road of fate at that time."

"Because there are so many helplessness in this world, so many impregnable walls, so many moments that can make you have an epiphany and force you to say, 'Okay, I gave up.'" …… So you really give up. ”

Ye Shenxi shook his head: "You gave up at that moment, but it may take many years for you to feel like you've let go...... You know, it's easy to give up and it's too hard to let go, people don't like to give up, and they're not good at admitting that they can't do anything. ”

"You finally feel like you're letting go, but I feel like you're finally on your knees at that time......"

Ding Yicheng looked at Ye Shenxi in a daze, feeling the catharsis of his emotions between the lines, and said after a while: "You don't want to kneel ......"

"I don't want to kneel."

"So you still want to make an indie game, no, you want to make a purely personal game, you don't care if you make money or not, you don't even care if anyone plays it, you just want to make it."

"No, expression is not a personal thing, he needs to be transmitted, he needs to be responded, he needs someone to feel it, I care if anyone plays it, if my most proud work is not liked by many people, I will be very disappointed."

"The R&D funds it requires will be measured in "100 million", so do you think Huang Yi will approve the project for such a thing? Or is there any company in China that has the strength to support me to do it now, will it approve it? ”

Ding Yicheng was silent, and after a while he shook his head: "No." ”

Ye Shenxi took a deep breath and recovered from the emotions just now: "So I can only find a company that fully supports me without reservations, and find a partner who also loves games and unswervingly agrees with my ideas, you know I'm not good at business things." ”

"Because of this kind of thing, everyone in the game circle now knows that it is destined to be bloody and will not end well, and I don't just want to try it once and fail and tell myself, ah, you see you have achieved your dream, okay, be satisfied."

"How can I be willing if I don't get recognition, I want to go to the end."

"When was it last?" Ding Yicheng muttered.

"When everyone is recognized."

Ding Yicheng squeezed out a voice from his throat: "So that's why you left the milestone......"

With these "so", Ding Yicheng finally understood Ye Shenxi's obsession and persistence, why he refused his invitations again and again, and why he left the milestone he had built so incomprehensibly at that time.

He's a gamer, he's not a businessman.

He doesn't just want to redefine the industry like Eternity and Immortals, he wants everyone to agree with his gaming philosophy.

It's too hard......

"Do you think online games are fun now, especially those that have come out in recent years?" Ye Shenxi's tone was gloomy.

Ding Yicheng was about to speak, but Ye Shenxi didn't give him a chance to answer at all, and said: "I know you will say that it doesn't matter if we think it's fun or not, it's okay if players think it's fun, and this is also the answer of most manufacturers now." But this is also the crux of the problem in the Chinese gaming circle, it is sick, and it is getting sicker and sicker, because most manufacturers and players do not have the attitude. ”

"These young players are like newborn children, they want to drink milk, we give them milk, but one day they grow up and want to drink milk, do you still want milk? I think it's time to give me something to eat. ”

"When was it ......?"

"Someone has to try it, or no one knows."

Ye Shenxi pinched his nose and said with a smile: "Is it a little awkward to suddenly sensationalize." ”

Ding Yicheng also smiled: "It's okay, but I'm a little confused...... So have you found it now? Such a partner. ”

"I want to ...... Possibly. ”

"I may be a very selfish person, I just want to make games that I think are fun, you just treat me as willful, anyway, I am qualified to be this sexual, right?"

Ding Yicheng squeezed his eyebrows and couldn't hold back a word, and finally patted Ye Shenxi on the shoulder: "I scored full marks for your cannon, really." ”

After thinking about it, he exhaled and said: "I know what you mean, but I can't help you anything, I can only say admiration for an idealist like you, awesome." ”