Hao Wanqing shook his head with a smile and said, "We don't carry this pot, he is born and has nothing to do with us." “

The Li Qingyang that Tao Donglai saw was a fair-skinned and slightly chubby young man, who didn't look like a person who was running around all the year round. Different from the prisoners that Tao Donglai had interrogated in the past, this Jinyiwei named Li Qingyang did not have any panicked or uneasy expression, and even his eyes seemed relatively relaxed.

Tao Donglai turned his head sideways and asked, "When you first interrogated him, what was his reaction?"

Hao Wanqing responded: "It's basically the same as now, we were a little surprised at first, but then we thought about it, probably this reaction is also one of their Jinyiwei's anti-interrogation skills. After all, he is a trained professional, and he is not on the same level as the thieves he has caught before. “

"Makes sense!" Tao Donglai agreed with Hao Wanqing's statement: "Seeing that he is so calm, he must have undergone special training, and this skill should be exactly what we lack now." “

In the interrogation room, Yan Chujie had already begun to interrogate Li Qingyang: "Li Qingyang, I have read your interrogation records, there are still many ominous and untrue places about your Jinyi Guard Yamen, if you honestly explain the problem, we may not be able to give you a way out." “

Li Qingyang shook his head and said, "This brother ...... benevolence"

"My surname is Yan, the color of Yan. Yan Chujie saw that the other party had the intention of speaking, so he took the initiative to introduce himself: "If you want to get out of the current predicament, then please cherish the opportunity of this conversation, because this is likely to determine your fate." If you still come to go around in circles with my old attitude, then we will probably have to give up on you. “

The glint in Li Qingyang's eyes flashed, and he immediately returned to his normal demeanor and responded: "It seems that Brother Yan is in an important position in Haihan? Could it be that he is one of the nine elders of the legendary Haihan Executive Committee?"

"It's a member of the executive committee, we don't need to be called elder, you can also see, my age has nothing to do with being old. Yan Chujie immediately corrected his statement.

Tao Donglai, who was in the observation room next door, snorted lightly and said, "It seems that Jinyiwei has also done some targeted investigations on us beforehand. “

Hao Wanqing replied softly: "But the information they have learned is relatively superficial, like the social system we have created, how can people understand how it works if they are not in it." If everything could be inquired, Jinyiwei would not need to send spies to Sanya to carry out the hidden mission. “

"So my life and death, Brother Yan can decide it in one word?" Li Qingyang in the interrogation room continued to ask.

"It's not strictly up to me to decide, but if you want to understand it that way, it makes sense. Yan Chujie nodded and said, "As long as you can prove to me that you have the value of receiving our preferential treatment, then you can get rid of your current status as a prisoner." “

"Sounds good, then what can I do to prove my worth? Tell you all the things in the yamen?" Without waiting for Yan Chujie to respond, Li Qingyang shook his head and said: "If I say everything in my own mind, I will really become a worthless person, and I am afraid that I will die faster at that time." “

There is no doubt that Li Qingyang is not a stupid person, and he will not be tempted by such simple tricks. Of course, Yan Chujie didn't expect to make this stubborn guy change his mind with two sentences, if it was such an easy thing to do, he didn't need to be a member of the executive committee to go out in person.

Yan Chujie followed his words and said: "You don't want to die, that's easy, there is a way for you to live well all the time, you are a smart person, you should be able to think of what I mean." “

Li Qingyang was silent for a long time before he opened his mouth and asked tentatively, "Do you want me to do things for you?"

"Is there anything wrong?" Yan Chujie said: "You do things for the court for the stability of the world, and you do things for us for this purpose." “

"This is inappropriate!" Li Qingyang shook his head and said: "You privately make weapons, organize armies, privately set up money houses, collude with local officials to swallow up fertile land, these things are pulled out casually, all of them violate the laws of the Ming Dynasty, why do you say such things for the stability of the world?"

"Li Qingyang, your view is too one-sided. Yan Chujie immediately retorted: "In the past two years, there have been pirates and rogues in Guangdong, and the government can't control them, so let them coerce the good people and harm the locality." In the end, we dispatched our own militia to fight them away, all the expenses were borne by ourselves, and we did not ask the government for a penny of hard work before and after, and if the Ming army could not get the promotion fee, it would not be dispatched at all. Guangdong was hit by a natural disaster, and no one cared about the refugees everywhere, so we also bought a large amount of food at our own expense and sent it to Guangdong for disaster relief, recruiting those refugees whose families were ruined and helpless to Sanya, and giving them a job with a stable income. The things we have taken the initiative to do for the government are not conducive to the stability of the world?"

"It's just disaster relief and relief for refugees, this private establishment of money and army, so what's the point?" Li Qingyang was not convinced, but tried to continue the debate with Yan Chujie.

However, Yan Chujie was a well-known advocate in the Haihan leadership, and his mouth cannon skills were far above Li Qingyang's, so naturally he would not be stumped by his rebuttal, and he only smiled slightly when he heard this: "Without the army, how can we maintain order for thousands of refugees? These thousands of refugees who have no food to eat are gathered together, what do you say will happen to these people in order to survive? Without a bank, how can the money spent on disaster relief be effectively distributed? Will it be handed over to the local government?" I am afraid that by then, the refugees will not be able to enjoy the disaster relief funds. Li Qingyang, you are also from the yamen, you should know more about this aspect than me, right?"

Li Qingyang really doesn't have much capital to refute this issue, because what Yan Chujie said is indeed the truth, even if the Haihan people are willing to follow the rules of the official face and hand over the money and grain to the Guangdong government to take care of, I am afraid that it will be difficult to quell the natural disasters that have occurred one after another in the two Guangxi regions in the past two years.

Li Qingyang was in the special institution of Jinyiwei, and he had access to far more information than ordinary people, and he knew very well that a large part of the reason for Guangdong's ineffective disaster relief in the past two years was that the local government had mishandled the situation, and a large number of disaster victims had been networked by various rogue forces in order to beg for food, and the garrison in Guangzhou City did not even dare to go to Panyu County, which was only 40 miles away from the city, to solve the bandits, and its morale and combat effectiveness were so low that it was simply breathtaking.

In the internal report that Li Qingyang had seen before, he also mentioned the battle process of the Haihan militia against the Liukou in Lijiazhuang, saying that "the sound of artillery is like thunder, the guns are like rain, and although the number of Liukou is ten times that of the Haihan, under the fierce attack, they cannot advance an inch." At that time, the corpses of the outcasts outside the village were piled up, and the bandit leader Liao Dabi and others were killed in front of the battle. The people all say that if there are more than 100 Haihan militias, they are invincible!"

Although Li Qingyang thought that the description in this report was too exaggerated at the time, it was only after he saw the gunboats of the Haihan people in Wanshan Port at the mouth of the Pearl River that he knew that a new force that could not be ignored had really risen in the south of the Ming Empire.

Compared with ordinary wealthy businessmen in the private sector, this group of people is obviously more organized and dangerous, and as the chief intelligence agency of the Ming Dynasty, they will naturally not let go of a comprehensive investigation of this potentially dangerous object. However, when Li Qingyang realized the danger, it was too late, and the five of them almost didn't even have a chance to resist, so they were sent to the island hanging overseas by the Haihan people to catch turtles in an urn.

There is no doubt that in fact, the reasons that Yan Chujie just said cannot completely hide Haihan's military ambitions, which Li Qingyang understands, and Yan Chujie himself is also very clear. In the final analysis, these explanations he made were just an attempt to put on a legal cloak for the existence of the Haihan armed forces. It doesn't matter if Jinyiwei doesn't admit it, as long as the local government recognizes it, and Haihan's response to Jinyiwei's intervention now is to try to resist it -- to isolate Jinyiwei's tentacles from the social system controlled by Haihan.

If Li Qingyang also regarded this latent operation as an ordinary operation when he set off, when he was captured by the Haihan militia, he knew that this group of people was not an ordinary landlord bully, they knew very well what they were doing, and they also knew the true identity of Li Qingyang and others, it can be seen that they did have a great fear of the signboard of Jinyiwei, but they were not afraid to deal with Jinyiwei. Li Qingyang could feel that they were full of confidence when dealing with their own people, and this confidence probably came from their strong economic and military strength.

Yan Chujie didn't urge Li Qingyang to answer at this time, just looked at him quietly, preparing the next lines.

After a long time, Li Qingyang said: "If you are willing to let the five of us go, then some things are not negotiable." “

For Li Qingyang, this is almost the bottom line of concessions, and he really can't do it for a while to make him betray his profession and allegiance.

Yan Chujie shook his head expressionlessly and said, "This matter is impossible. “

"Not negotiable?" Li Qingyang asked unwillingly.

"It's not a question of whether it's negotiable, it's because three of the five of you have died. You don't have to look at me like that, we didn't torture them, one of these three died in a private brawl in prison, and the other two died in a disobedience. Yan Chujie explained: "For us, it is more useful for you to live now than to die, at least at this stage. “

This team of Jinyi guards spies were divided and detained after they were arrested, so Li Qingyang didn't know what happened to the other four at all. After listening to Yan Chujie's explanation, Li Qingyang's face quickly calmed down: "If I and the rest of this person have been refusing to give in, then there is no point in keeping our lives any longer?"

You can understand it this way. Yan Chujie said very calmly: "Of course, we will not execute you, you will be sent to overseas mines, and you will spend the rest of your life with black coal." As for your boss and colleagues in Nanjing, it will probably take a while for you to find out that something is wrong, and then send the next group of people to throw themselves into the net. “

"You're not going to be so lucky to catch our guys every time. Li Qingyang retorted unconvinced. The fall of their team is indeed a nest, and they were completely played by their opponents, and if the boss knew what had happened, he would have tore them apart alive.

"But we will definitely find someone willing to play for us in the brocade guard, just as we can buy the news of your team going south with money. Yan Chujie unceremoniously hit Li Qingyang: "After all, there will be people who choose to change in order to survive, not to mention that this choice is not necessarily a bad thing for you people." Do you know how many court officials are now working for us? From the senior members of the state government to the local inspection department, the civilian officials include the governor, the general judge, and the same knowledge, and the military attache also has figures at the level of chief soldier and staff general. To tell the truth, even if you are allowed to come in, if you really find something rebellious in Sanya, when the time comes, the imperial court will issue a document to inquire with the local officials, and these local officials will still stand on our side and block the dirty water spilled by your brocade guards with a twist. “

When Yan Chujie said that he was going to be on the head, he continued: "Take 10,000 steps back and say, even if the emperor believes your report and feels that it is necessary to eradicate our Haihan stocks, do you think the Ming Dynasty can afford to fight this battle? Although everyone talks about being loyal to the monarch and serving the country, how many people are willing to fight hard, knowing that there is no hope of winning?"

"But your armed forces are entrenched in Qiongzhou, and for the imperial court, it is a hidden danger in the south after all!" Li Qingyang knew that he probably couldn't argue with this well-spoken Haihan executive committee, but he still gritted his teeth and refused to let go.

"No, no, no, you're wrong, the real hidden danger of Daming is not us, but the group of wild boar skins outside the northern pass. They are really at war with the Ming Dynasty, and judging from the results of the battle in recent years, the shape of the Ming Dynasty is becoming more and more difficult. Yan Chujie consciously wanted to explain this topic: "It is impossible for the wild boar skins outside the customs to coexist peacefully with the Ming Dynasty, and they must rely on plundering the resources of the Ming Dynasty to achieve development." In the areas under our control, the people live and work in peace and contentment, without worrying about their livelihood and safety, and we have to purchase a large amount of materials from the Ming Dynasty every year, and we have always supported the authority of the imperial court. We do not deny that these areas that we control are still part of the Ming Dynasty, but our approach is not to rely on looting, but to let everyone work together to build a stable and strong development environment. “