After touching the blue sky, Megumi Yanagisawa went back and thought about it for a long time. He actually felt that his son had a point.

In the evening, Hui Yanagisawa found Li Zhen: "Dean Li, I want to ask your opinion?" ”

Li Zhen smiled and only said four words: "The people are rich and the country is strong." ”

"The people come first, and the country comes last?" Megumi Yanagisawa was a little surprised.

"Yes, the people come first, and the country comes last. Therefore, the people are rich and the country is strong. I have traveled to many places and investigated the economic situation of many places. I found this interesting phenomenon. ”

"Please also ask Dean Li for guidance." Megumi Yanagisawa said sincerely.

Li Zhen said frankly: "In the whole of Kyushu, in all cities, it can be summarized into two phenomena. The first phenomenon is that the government has money, but the people have no money. The second situation is that the government has no money, but the people have money. I say it's just a relative phenomenon. ”

Megumi Yanagisawa subconsciously pricked up his ears: "Yes, there is such a phenomenon." But it's actually hard for me to figure out, what's the difference, what's the difference? I think the difference won't just be on the surface, won't it just be the difference between the poor and the rich of the common people? ”

"More than that."

Li Zhen stood up and said: "Where the people have no money, on the whole, there is no life in that place. ”

"Angry?"

"It's the meaning of life."

"I ...... Can't understand what it means. ”

Li Zhen said: "Where the people are poor, the government has money. The city has money, but all this has no sense of substitution for the people, and it has nothing to do with them whether the city is rich or not. So I think, but I think, in this case, according to probability, there will be a kind of self-defeating mentality among the local people. I feel that everyone has no money, so it doesn't matter if I have money or not. For individuals, this kind of psychology will create a person who has no momentum and no motivation to climb up. However, when summed up as a whole, this phenomenon will cause the whole city to have no vitality and no driving force for development. Overall, the city has no ...... There is no spirit. ”

Yanagisawa Megumi's statement was not obvious, but he nodded: "There is some truth." ”

Li Zhen said again: "Let's look at another example. The government is poor, but the people are rich. Do you know what the probability of people having money will be? ”

"What probability?"

"On the basis of money, there will be more businessmen and more businessmen."

"What does it matter? Different cities have different flavors. ”

"It's going to be counted. There are many merchants, which will also have a great impact on the city. ”

"What impact?"

"The first is the overall comparison heart, everyone has money, and they want to compare who is richer. This merchant will spend 10,000 coins to buy a vanity today, and another merchant will spend 20,000 dollars tomorrow to buy it. It's about having more money than anyone. And where there are more merchants, the more this phenomenon becomes. ”

Megumi Yanagisawa smiled bitterly: "This kind of behavior is not good. Comparison, vanity, and greed have long been said by liberal arts scholars to be the greatest evils of human beings. ”

"Comparison, vanity, greed. These are the three major drawbacks of human nature. But it is also the root of human progress. You can imagine if human beings didn't have the heart of comparison, greed. Human beings are people who can get by, and they don't have any ambitions. So what is the status of society now? The whole society is dead, no one wants to work, no one wants to progress. The country will not want to progress, everyone will drink blood, and it will be enough to eat and not be hungry. Who wants to go to a higher level? ”

After Li Zhen finished speaking, Liu Zehui suddenly broke out in a cold sweat.

He suddenly discovers something that is in great conflict with his own worldview - human nature.

There are philosophers who teach the whole world that human beings should be kind, truthful, good, and beautiful. Human beings can't be comparative, they can't be greedy. Educate the world every day.

This is the way the whole country is done, and the same is true when teachers teach students: don't compare yourself with each other. Comparisons are not right.

This is actually a kind of negativity in disguise.

And in fact, there is no market for such negativity, because it goes against human nature.

Yanagisawa suddenly felt that the previous arguments did not seem to be right.

He woke up, he could imagine. If human beings don't have greed, don't have the heart of comparison. So from a personal point of view, it's a failure, I see hello, I don't envy, I don't care. I'm still supposed to be babbling, I'm going to love it. So this person, will he become a passive slacker?

If this is the case for the country as a whole, then will the country as a whole become a "tribe" that does not seek to improve?

Li Zhen said again: "People should have a kind of wolf nature. This is what I want to tell you about the prosperity of the people and the strength of the country. This is also what I want to tell you that the people are rich, but the government is not rich. You may have a misunderstanding, I said that the government is not rich, but it is relative. It's in a proportion. In fact, where the people are rich, no matter how poor the government is, it is definitely far better than those areas where the government is rich and the people are not rich. ”

"Why is that?"

"Because there are more rich people, he will spend money. As soon as he spends money, he will generate consumption, and there will be taxes. This is called gross city product. Where does the money spent by the people go? In the end, it returned to the hands of the government. And businessmen who want to do business and do big business will understand an ironclad truth. ”

"What's the truth?"

"Big businessmen before doing business and investing. I never think about how much money I can make on this project. ”

Megumi Yanagisawa choked on saliva: "They don't want to make much money, what kind of business do they have?" ”

"That's how you think and what most people think. In fact, the first thought of people who really do big business will always be: what benefits will I bring to others by doing this? ”

"That's not right. People say that there is no treacherous and no business. Businessmen think about their own interests first, how can they think about others first? ”

"Because big businessmen understand a truth, which is called win-win, mutual benefit and reciprocity. Before doing something, you must first think clearly about what benefits and tangible benefits it will bring to others, for the country, and for the people of Kyushu, so that you can do greatly. There are no fools in this world, and no one will support you when you win alone and everyone loses. The most harmonious way to get along is to win-win. It's good for everyone. Therefore, big businessmen will take such thinking deeply. ”

"I'll give you an example. You should know about Liu Jianye. He spent a great deal of money to train and support scientists. What does he bring to those who are engaged in science? ”

Liu Zehui knew about Liu Jianye's establishment of a scientific research base, and immediately said: "Those scientists can get extremely high salaries and glory. ”

"This is what Liu Jianye did for those scientists. Then let me ask you again, if Liu Jianye succeeds, what benefits will he bring to this society? ”

Yanagisawa thought for a moment and said, "If he keeps improving the steam engine and keeps improving." Then he will at least solve the problem of transportation for this society. He will promote his steam car to all corners of Kyushu, if he follows the prince's advice to reduce the price, then he can at least help Kyushu's industry and commerce become extremely developed, because after the steam car is cheap, everyone consumes it. This is the contribution he brings to society. ”

"Okay, you know both of the above. Let me ask you again, what benefits will society bring to Liu Jianye? ”

Liu Zehui was stunned for a moment, and then suddenly surprised: "He...... If the steam car industry matures, he will become the leader of the steam car industry and will almost monopolize the market. At the same time, he has that group of scientists, who have advanced technology, and can constantly improve. From then on, he was completely able to dominate the family. The income he brings in by selling cars alone will at least exceed the interests of his current monopoly in the transportation industry! ”

Li Zhen nodded: "This is the truth between the poor and the rich." ”

Megumi Yanagisawa took a deep breath and was shocked inside.

A conversation with Li Zhen completely refreshed Yanagisawa Hui's three views.

He's not stupid, but he can draw inferences.