"That's right." Shinoda Suizo said: "Your Excellency's interrogation is really an art, and in the middle of a question and an answer, the pressure has already been exerted in a gentle breeze and rain without a trace. ”

Tsuruta Ichiro smiled, but said with a little regret: "It's a pity, my judgment is still wrong." I thought that he was just using this way to cover up his psychology and want to die. Because in fact, deep down in his heart, he knows that he may not be able to withstand all kinds of punishments in the end.

But I didn't expect that what he actually said was a kind of anti-psychological guidance, and I was fooled. He wasn't really afraid of these punishments, but he was afraid that I wouldn't punish him......"

Shinoda frowned and pondered, "What His Excellency Tsuruta means is that he broke his legs by himself. ”

"yes." Tsuruta Ichiro said: "You and I have seen the methods of counter-torture, and we have seen a lot. To put it simply, it is how to allow yourself to have a longer time with the interrogator's mediation, so as to keep the secret. But this is only a theoretical fact, and there are no people who can keep the secrets of their hearts under all kinds of punishments, but there are too few. ”

Shinoda Suizo said: "Yes, physical pain and mental pressure actually have a limit. The limit of tolerance has been reached, and as long as it is an individual, it must not be able to stand up. ”

Tsuruta Ichiro said: "Those who can withstand the punishment will not open their mouths in the end no matter what." These people all have a common characteristic, that is, spiritual power, whether it is the so-called belief in their hearts, or something else, has already cultivated their spiritual power to be extremely powerful, and has exceeded the limit of physiological bearing.

Yes, how can this kind of person be tortured, even if the flesh # body has completely collapsed. Even with a small needle at the end, with a slight prick, the other party's body is completely uncontrollable, trembling, night sweats, and incontinence. But they just wouldn't say it. And this kind of stubborn resistance to the end, among them, the Red Party, must account for the vast majority. And the Ou Qingning we are facing now is a member of the Red Party. ”

Shinoda nodded and said, "What does Your Excellency Tsuruta mean, I'm afraid he may not be able to speak?" ”

"Nope." Tsuruta Ichiro said: "What I'm worried about is this way of countering torture. Didn't you notice? He broke himself off two of his legs, and he fainted instantly, which was what he wanted to achieve. If we faint, we won't be able to interrogate. ”

Shinoda nodded and said, "This is really a big problem." If the person's physical tolerance is very low, and his mental strength is high, then the body has just undergone some punishment, and he faints. It will create a very unfavorable situation for our interrogation. At the very least, it should have been enough time, but it will drag on for a long time, and in the end, it will not be enough. ”

"That's what I'm worried about." Ichiro Tsuruta said: "At the moment of suffering, I even suspect that he gave himself a very strong, believing signal. He fully believed that his body could not bear the pain of short legs. This signal of belief will make his brain, five organs, and every nerve in his body believe. Therefore, when the pain comes, the body's self-protection mechanism is immediately activated, and he faints directly. ”

Shinoda thought for a moment and said, "I've heard of this method, in fact, Germany has used this kind of training. Increase your sense of conviction to resist torture. It is rumored that some of them can even do it, before they do not say a word, accumulate the pain of torture, and then give themselves a strong signal of belief, so that they can believe that they can no longer bear it and will die.

So, it will really die directly. However, this method is not applicable, and it cannot be trained in large quantities at all, and can only be used on a very small number of people with a strong sense of conviction. However, those who can be used may really have unnecessary casualties during training, so this kind of anti-torture method is also abandoned. ”

Hearing this, Tsuruta Ichiro looked at Shinoda Suizo with great satisfaction and said, "Very good, Shinoda-kun." Indeed, he is a well-informed and excellent agent of the Empire. However, I also seem to have found a way to deal with such people. ”

"Oh?" Shinoda said, "Your Excellency Tsuruta, please advise, how do you plan to deal with this Red Party diehard?" ”

Tsuruta Ichiro said: "It's very simple, what Shinoda-kun said just now is very good. But I believe that although this Red Party has the ability to do so, it has absolutely not systematically mastered this method. So it's good to make him not believe it. Isn't there a famous theory? It is called boiling a frog in warm water, and when it is cold, put the frog in the water and heat it a little bit to let him get used to it. And by the time the frog feels the heat, it's actually too late.

And this person has the ability to have such a sense of faith, and I will let him bear it little by little, and deal with him with the gentlest means. Now we still have time, and I believe that just opening his mouth in two days will make us a big gain. ”

I have to say that Ichiro Tsuruta, an old devil, is indeed very powerful. After getting the doctor's report and confirming that there was no problem with the other party, he once again took Shinoda Suizo to the underground torture room.

This time, compared with the big punishment of the tiger chair, Tsuruta Ichiro asked the torturers to use some "small means" instead. Little by little, I pulled out all the nails with pliers. then pinched the nails that were pulled out, and inserted them back into Ou Qingning. Then he pulled his hand off again.

The reason why Ou Qingning used the previous means made himself faint to death. It's because he wants to drag out time. But he also miscalculated one thing, and that is that he really doesn't understand these systematic theories of autosuggestion and using his own belief signals. It's like doing a math problem, like a binary equation, and he will solve it. However, he did not systematically grasp the formula for solving the problem. In this way, Ichiro Tsuruta, who faced the problem, did not give him a slightly difficult binary one-time, or a multivariate equation. And it's a sea of questions tactic, endlessly let him do the questions.

At first, it was nothing, but as the time lengthened, from morning to ten o'clock in the evening, Ou Qingning was really a little unable to hold on. Originally, he was confident that as long as the other party moved some large, he would take advantage of his own pain and faint to death. So as to achieve the goal of counter-torture.

But now, the punishment is "not severe". It's impossible to say that if your fingernails fall off, you'll faint. Even ordinary people may be scared enough, but it is really impossible to faint directly.