"Monsieur Cavour, the country you speak of is the country of you propertied people, the country of the royal family of Savoy, not the country of the oppressed Italian nation and the Italian people!"

Cavour's face did not show any look of chagrin at Mazzini's teasing.

As early as the time Cavour met with Garibaldi, Garibaldi told Cavour that Mazzini would be more difficult to convince than he was.

Mazzini's taunting of him in front of him had long been expected by him.

After all, the common thread between Cavour and Mazzini has no resemblance other than the unification of Italy.

Cavour wanted to transform a united Italy into a dynastic expansion that would remove the resistance that had arisen in the process of unification.

Mazzini wanted to completely eliminate all the oppressive forces entrenched in the Italian peninsula (the king, the clergy, and the nobility all knew it), so as to complete the real rebirth of Italy.

It can be said that two people like Cavour and Mazzini, who have completely different ideas, can sit patiently and talk together, which can be regarded as a complete progress.

"Mr. Mazzini, I understand your philosophy! I'm willing to respect your ideas!" Cavour calmly said to Mazzini, "But the difference between us is nothing but a difference of ideas!"

As he spoke, Cavour pointed at Mazzini, and then at himself, and said in an extraordinarily sincere tone, "You and I are both patriots, and we both want to have an Italian state and an Italian nation!"

Now that the whole Italian peninsula is still in a state of fragmentation, why can't we join forces to create an Italian state first and then think about other things?"

"Mr. Cavour!" Mazzini raised his voice and rebuked Cavour, "I would like to ask what is the difference between an Italian state formed by the Kingdom of Sardinia and what it is now!

The people of the Italian peninsula are nothing more than transferred from the hands of one foreign exploiter to another!"

Speaking of this, Mazzini suddenly remembered something, and a disdainful smile appeared on the corner of his mouth, "By the way, I almost forgot!

The House of Savoy to which you are loyal is not even a purebred Italian.

Their bloodline comes from the Holy Roman Empire (Elector of the Holy Empire), and their birthplace comes from Savoy, France (here also Mazzini was forced to hand over Savoy and Nice to France in order to mock the royal family of Savoy)!

From them, I don't see a trace of the Italian nation at all!

And they want to unify the Italian peninsula just to make the crown on their heads even more dazzling!"

Mazzini's unreserved ridicule of the royal house of Savoy aroused Cavour's displeasure.

Although Cavour himself was not a royalist in the true sense of the word, he was deeply respected by the royal family of Savoy for many years, and he inevitably developed a certain respect for the royal family of Savoy.

"Mr. Mazzini!" Cavour responded coldly to Mazzini, "That alien royal family in your mouth is working tirelessly to defend the freedom of speech and *** in Sardinia!

They respected the parliament and sought the path to a unified Italy!

And what are you, great thinker, doing!

You profess to love the Italian nation, but I haven't seen you do anything since 1848!

Is your so-called love just a slogan?

If that's the case, then it's too cheap to love Italy!"

Cavour's unreserved tongue succeeded in silenceing Mazzini.

Indeed, since the defeat of the Roman Republic, Mazzini has not organized a single decent operation on the Italian peninsula, not even a complete plan for ***.

The most recent *** that will be carried out is still last year, but due to the sudden increase of troops in the Lombardy region of the Austrian Empire, the *** that was originally prepared died directly in the abdomen.

[Insert a sentence here, the original history of 1858,

Mazzini has conducted Lombardy and Venice remotely in Switzerland.

Although the number of people in this event was smaller than in 1848, it also caused the Austrian Empire to lose a certain number of soldiers, and at the same time reasoned the enmity between Lombard and Venice against the Austrian Empire.

In 1858, the French Empire and the Austrian Empire brazenly attacked the Kingdom of Sardinia, which made Mazzini, who originally lived in Switzerland, feel the difficulties of the revolution, and he gave up his plans in Lombardy and Venice*** and returned to London to continue to accumulate strength. 】

Seeing that Mazzini was speechless, Cavour continued to increase his output and said, "Mr. Mazzini, I find that what you love is nothing more than an abstract Italian nation, an Italian nation that is only active in the literal sense of the word!

You choose to turn a blind eye to an Italian nation that really exists in the world, oppressed by the Austrians!

In your eyes, we are no different from the Austrians!

But I would like to ask, will the Austrians respect the opinions of the people of the region as we do? Will they start a council like we do?"

Before Mazzini could speak, Cavour said to himself, "No, they won't! They will not respect the opinion of the Italian nation at all, nor will they give a voice to the people living in Lombardy and Venice!

In their eyes, Lombard and Venice were nothing more than the wallets of the Austrian Empire!

In order to maintain Austrian rule, they had to impose all kinds of heavy taxes in Lombardy and Venice!

Only in this way will they be able to truly sit on the throne!

However, even if the Austrian Empire has persecuted the Italian nation so much, in your heart, we and the Austrian Empire are still on the same footing!"

"Anyway, you still stand on the body of the Italian nation and suck the blood!" Mazzini still said to Cavour, "You are parasites entrenched in the Italian shell!"

A sneer appeared at the corner of Cavour's mouth, and his eyes also showed a look of disdain, an expression that resembled Mazzini's mockery of him just now.

"Mr. Mazzini! If, according to your theory, there is no government in the world today that is not a blood-sucking parasite lying on the shell of its own people!" Cavour retorted to Mazzini.

"Of course!" Mazzini replied, "All governments are parasites that suck the blood on their own people!"

"Unless the government is completely eliminated, this kind of behavior will never be banned!" Cavour replied coldly to Mazzini.

"Then destroy the government!" Mazzini's tone was slightly self-defeating.

Years of defeat have led to a gradual shift in Mazzini's thinking into the anarchist camp.

"Mr. Mazzini! If there is no government to organize the people, then how should we raise an army to resist foreign invasion!" Cavour asked Mazzini rhetorically.

"We can form a citizen army and rely on the identification of the whole population with Italy to resist foreign enemies!" Mazzini replied to Cavour.

"Mr. Mazzini, we are fighting a war of technology, not between tribes!" Cavour went on to retort to Mazzini, "The absence of a government means that the people cannot be mobilized to produce for the war, and the citizen army you call will fight with a spear in hand!

No government means no standing army, all armies must be formed from scratch, how to select our soldiers, how to choose our officers, how to command this army to stand out!

More importantly, an army starting from scratch has to hold a spear to resist a battle-hardened invasion!

Dear sir, I can't think of an army that could defeat a foreign enemy without God!"

"The French Republic relies on the citizen army to resist foreign enemies, why can't we!!" Mazzini said angrily to Cavour

"The French Republic also has a government!" Cavour seized on Mazzini's loophole and pursued it vigorously, "and the French Republic's war against the outside does not seem to have improved because of the Civic Army, etc

After the foreign enemy slowed down the offensive a little, they themselves began to fight among themselves!

On the contrary, it was only after Napoleon came to power that France really got on the right track and became an unbeatable country!

Government is an institution that must exist in a country!"

"Even if a government is needed, it shouldn't be a government made up of powerful people!

A government composed of powerful people cannot protect the interests of the people at all!" Mazzini continued to respond to Cavour.

"Monsieur Mazzini, I said that the first thing we should consider is the unification of Italy!

If Italy cannot be united, then no amount of talk will be of any use!" Cavour said to Mazzini, "Besides, are the people of Italy really capable of running a country?

The vast majority of people living in our land simply cannot effectively exercise their rights!

Hasn't the tragedy of the French Republic given you a warning?

This part of Italy can only be truly stable if the elite is involved in politics!

If those who cannot even write are involved in the administration, it will only lead to the slaughter and destruction of the country!"

After listening to Cavour's words, Mazzini immediately fell silent.

In fact, Mazzini was also a person who admired meritocracy, and the original Roman Republic was a typical example.

It was only the long-term failure that made Mazzini fall into anarchist thinking.

At present, Mazzini faintly agrees with some of Cavour's thoughts in his heart, but due to the different political positions of the two sides, it is impossible for Mazzini to agree with Cavour's words.

"Monsieur Mazzini, think of your fellow Italians who are suffering! How much they want an Italian state, we really need to come together and build a new alliance together!

Only in this way will Italy be possible in our hands!"

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