Chapter 427: Actually, I don't have a choice at all
After the formal signing of the naval treaty, the negotiations between the Ming Dynasty and the Taixi countries on the exchange of warship equipment and technology also began immediately.
The attitude of the representatives of the Ming side was no different from that before the treaty negotiations began.
There were even some Taixi people who felt that the Ming people seemed to be a little more enthusiastic.
After the first day of the meeting between the Austrian side and the Ming side on a new round of naval technical support negotiations, the relevant officials and engineers involved in the negotiations mentioned this point during the internal discussion and summary.
The head of the negotiations, the new Austrian Foreign Minister Metternich, directly sighed and said:
"The attitude of the Ming people has indeed changed for the better, and the reason is of course very simple.
"Because after the signing of the naval treaty, the number and size of orders they can obtain from Europa countries, and even the probability of order closing, will definitely increase significantly.
"For the Ming people, some countries that have no negotiation value and most of them will not buy anything may buy them after the naval treaty is formally signed and made public.
"In a country like the Netherlands, there are three entangled enemies: Denmark and Norway and Sweden.
"Their naval and maritime power has been in total decline, or it has never been really strong.
"In Daming's words, it's already 'out of the table'.
"Now the naval treaty is nominally equal to all countries, but it gives them a chance to nominally be on the 'table' again.
"In the current environment of unprecedented prosperity of public opinion, the monarchs and courts of the four countries of their country must also work hard.
"They will most likely build one or two small new battleships as the last face symbol of their country and royal family.
"It's a little bit of a possibility for the Netherlands to design and build it completely in-house, but it's obviously too much trouble and difficult to achieve the desired target performance, let alone the other three countries.
"The treaty also stipulates that it is not allowed to import to other European countries, so they can only ask Daming for help.
"For a country like the Netherlands, even if they don't import finished Ming warships as a whole, they have to buy a large number of ship weapons and equipment produced by the Ming Dynasty.
Then, under the guidance of the Ming craftsmen, he worked hard to build a hull and find a way to assemble it into a warship.
"For the Netherlands, such warships are still somewhat useful, they still retain part of the colony.
"For Sweden, it's more symbolic than practical, and it's impossible to defeat Lucia in the Baltic anyway.
"Then, countries that may have only a small number of warships with medium and low indicators are in demand, and after signing the naval treaty, the target is likely to be directly doubled upward.
"Italy and Portugal, for example, Italy itself is on the rise, wanting stronger forces to prove itself, they are likely to fight for the target tonnage set out in the naval treaty.
"Portugal was already weak in its own power, and after losing Brazil, it was no longer a strong naval power, and the development and construction of new colonies in Mexico took up most of their energy.
"But in the current environment, they will definitely try to maintain their position, and they will also try to achieve the target tonnage, but it is likely that they will not be able to achieve it......
"And then there are the Ottomans, whose sultans had to invest enough in naval and colonial construction in order to maintain their country and slow down the collapse of their country.
"Whether it is the practical value of the navy itself, or the symbolic value to the country and its people, or the value of trade in continuing to maintain relations with the Ming Dynasty, it will push them to do as well as possible......
"Finally, in addition to these more or less problematic countries, the remaining major independent countries of Europa, which are relatively balanced in power, including us, will also have to re-examine their cooperation plans in the light of the treaty and the situation.
"Before the treaty, we were only thinking about buying some equipment, but after signing this naval treaty, we had to seriously consider the whole ship customization plan.
"Because even if we don't adopt it, other countries may adopt it.
"The warships we designed and built by ourselves, whether it is the overall technological level or the final performance parameters within the range of 40,000 tons, will definitely lag behind the Daming plan."
Metternich said in the end, and once again opened the document in front of him, the diplomats of the Daming Honglu Temple, and the two drafts of ship designs of different classes provided by the Ministry of Industry Shipyard and the Royal Shipyard.
The members of the royal family who were observing the meeting, Archduke Karl, also flipped through the documents in front of him.
"Paris Naval Treaty Type 40,000 Ton Capital Ship Design Scheme - Austrian Special Edition".
The relevant ideas of the Taixi countries have not been straightened out, and the craftsmen of the Ming Dynasty have already sorted out this preliminary plan.
Archduke Karl couldn't help but muttering to himself:
"It seems that Da Ming really doesn't mind the naval treaty we signed at all, and directly marked the most official name of the naval treaty on the plan given to us.
"This is equivalent to the relevant official institutions of the Ming Dynasty, which have semi-officially recognized the existence of this treaty, and will not ignore it when encountering relevant matters in the future.
"The actual cooperation program itself has not changed at all compared to before the signing of the naval treaty.
"The conditions attached are basically the same as they were told before the start of the negotiations, and they have not changed as a result of the advent of the treaty, and may even have become more relaxed.
"They also explained directly in accordance with our naval treaty that all equipment and weapons, including related technology, within the scope of the naval treaty, can be exported.
"A power module that allows a 40,000-ton capital ship to run thirty knots, a gun with a caliber of 360 mm and a gun with a caliber of less than 45 times the diameter, and a turret that can be independently pitched with all the barrels of a true triple......
"All these technical difficulties that we are currently difficult to overcome can be directly transferred to us by Daming."
In the previous words, Grand Duke Karl said with emotion and excitement, but in the end, the conversation suddenly changed:
"However, this situation does not make me relaxed, but rather the situation that makes us feel the most stressed......"
Metternich heard it and nodded directly:
Although this attitude shows that the Ming Dynasty recognizes the existence of this treaty, it also shows that the Ming Dynasty does not care about the ultimate goal shown in our treaty......
"We Austria...... It may be more difficult to achieve the goal of 750,000 tons of new warships stipulated in the treaty than it is for the Ming Dynasty to achieve the goal of 7.5 million......"
Archduke Karl was not particularly familiar with the navy, but his understanding of the state of the country and military aspects could be regarded as relatively outstanding in this era.
After being melancholy for a while, Archduke Karl asked the other people's opinions more seriously and formally:
"So, are we going to use Daming's overall plan? That is, the new warship as a whole uses Daming technology.
"As for how much finished equipment is purchased and how much technology is introduced, the relevant proportion will not be discussed.
"In terms of design scheme, do you want to choose this way? Or do we design it ourselves? ”
Metternich listened and looked at the admirals and engineers, and then explained his personal thoughts:
"The most ideal situation, of course, is that Daming will directly provide the technology transfer agreement without any strings attached.
"But that's impossible, the relevant personnel of Daming have already revealed it, and there is no room for discussion on this point.
"Technical support must correspond to the opening of the market, and complete the economic binding with continued market transactions, so as to avoid conflicts.
"This is the future foreign strategy that both the Ming Emperor and the Prince of Great Food have already defined.
"The idea of second best is that we adopt selectively and learn selectively.
"But as I said earlier, if we don't use it, other countries may use it.
"Our naval foundation is already relatively poor, and if we use it selectively and design it ourselves, it may be that other people's warships have already been put into service, and ours has not yet been launched.
"In the end, the performance of the warships built will be significantly lower than those of other countries......
"There is also a very critical issue, which everyone pays special attention to, the optional secondary capital ship scheme in the appendix.
"The last of them, with a full load displacement of 30,000 tons, a maximum speed of 28 knots, and a 300-millimeter main armor, uses four twin-mounted 360-millimeter main guns, and a maximum range of 8,000 nautical miles at a speed of 15 knots.
"According to Da Ming, this kind of plan was originally prepared for countries such as the Netherlands, Denmark, and Norway, but it will also be recommended to other countries, and we can also choose if we need secondary capital ships.
"These targets have actually reached or even exceeded the limits that most Europa countries can achieve......
"The 40,000-ton warships of France and Britain are at this level......
"In other words, if we don't upgrade and don't adopt the technology of the Ming Dynasty, we will build a more advanced 40,000-ton warship.
"Then countries like the Netherlands and Sweden may have access to better warships than ours.
"Italy and Portugal can even directly use this kind of warship as a capital ship.
"Even, if Prussia and even Lucia choose, they can use the same gross tonnage of 320,000 tons to obtain two more capital ships of the same performance than us......"
"This indicator plan is put out for us to see, which in itself can be said to be another strategy and pressure.
"We and Prussia, Lucia, Italy, these countries had to adopt the Ming plan to build new capital ships.
"So my suggestion is to directly use the Daming scheme as a whole, which is also a way to express sincerity to Daming......"
The personnel involved listened to Metternich's explanation, looked at the plan in their hands, and finally fell silent.
In the end, there was nothing to discuss in this internal discussion in Austria.
Metternich had analyzed the situation thoroughly, and Austria had little choice.
This is indeed the case, and when the Austrians studied the Ming plan, the Prussians, Lucians, French, British, Italians, and Portuguese also encountered similar situations.
In front of or in the hands of the representatives of their countries, there is also a very similar design plan for the naval treaty-type capital ship.
With the exception of the "country-specific" suffix in the name, the content of the programme itself is highly consistent.
Austria-specific does not mean that the scheme on this document was designed specifically for Austria.
Rather, it refers to the paper document itself, which was formally intended to be sent exclusively to the Austrians.
Don't take the documents prepared for Austria to Prussia and use them.
The naval treaty sets the upper limit of the main indicators of warships, which all countries are to abide by.
Therefore, after the formal signing of the naval treaty, the shipbuilding target plans of the major countries of Taixi will of course have a high degree of convergence.
When the relevant personnel of Daming make these specific sales plans, they can directly use one draft for multiple purposes for the negotiation strategies and agreement texts of countries of similar levels, as well as the design manuscript itself.
Even, the design itself is not new, it is a fine-tuned version of the 40,000-ton high-speed battleship in the early Ming Dynasty.
After rearranging, print it out, and send it over with the words dedicated to such and such a country.
There is no need to even translate the language of the other party in the city, but can directly use the Da Ming version, and the officials and engineers of the other side and the generals of the navy can all understand it.
Even if there is a version of many similar professional documents, even if there is a version in the Chinese language, the relevant personnel will read the Da Ming version.
Because of their early study and long-term exposure, they are more familiar with the special vocabulary and symbols of Da Ming script.
All kinds of professional books and drawings are mainly based on Da Ming text, and the wording of the Da Ming version is more standard and unified.
Switching to the translated version in Chinese may seem more laborious.
People who really can't read the Daming documents are basically not qualified to participate in discussions at this level.
In such a situation, including diplomats and shipyards, as well as engineering and related sales personnel, their workload has been greatly reduced, and there is a visible increase in orders, can they not be happy......
The programme for minor countries that were not prepared to negotiate seriously was also taken seriously.
The Ming negotiators in the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and other countries first provided them with two newly designed plans for small high-speed battleships with a full load of 20,000 tons and 30,000 tons.
The speed can be chosen from twenty-five to thirty knots, and the main gun can be chosen from a four-seat twin with a 300-millimeter caliber, a three-to-four-seat triple-mounted 300-millimeter caliber, and a four-seater twin with a three-hundred-hundred-millimeter caliber.
If a new ship of 20,000 tons still feels expensive, Daming has also prepared a plan that looks "more affordable".
Based on the original traditional capital ship, the plan of dreadnought transformation is carried out.
At a minimum, you can use the 240 mm guns of the original armored cruisers.
The traditional naval states of Daming and Taixi have a large number of traditional capital ships waiting to be decommissioned.
After the commissioning of the new capital ships, there was no use in keeping these ships.
Even if the main gun can be changed to the dreadnought, there is no way to change the line of the hull.
Even if it is replaced with a new boiler and turbine at any cost, it is difficult to increase the speed to more than 25 knots.
Such a 10,000 to 20,000-ton warship, placed in the new generation of naval sequence, is actually very limited in combat effectiveness.
However, many of these ships are actually not very old, and it is a pity to dismantle them now.
On the contrary, it is a feasible plan to transform it and sell it to countries that do not have too high demand as capital ships.
Even if they are sold at cost price, they will definitely be considered profitable for the country that wants to eliminate them.
In view of the special situation of Denmark and Norway, Daming also provided a low-speed gunboat scheme in the inland sea with small boats carrying cannons.
However, except for the one that was changed from the original 40,000-ton plan of the Ming Dynasty, the plans of the other secondary warships are very simple.
At present, it seems that it can only be regarded as a direction and feasibility choice, and only when a certain country determines that it will be used, it will be refined into a formal design plan, and a formal drawing will be produced after the purchase agreement is signed.
As the first step in this cooperation negotiation, regarding the selection of target ship types, in fact, Lucia, Prussia, Austria, these major countries have little room for choice.
can only use the standard scheme of 40,000 tons, and they will use it if they don't use it, and their own design opportunities are weaker than others.
Unless they really join forces to build together, there is no way to crack this chain of suspicion.
And Da Ming obviously won't allow that to happen.
On the contrary, those secondary countries have some room for consideration.
Choose how low the size of your capital ship should be.