Chapter 167 is not a word

He Xi understands Liu Sanwu.

He is the same person as Song Ne. He Xi also knew that it was difficult for him to persuade Liu Sanwu, and using Zhu Yuanzhang to suppress Liu Sanwu was the easiest way. It is also the most effective way. But He Xi didn't think about it.

Instead, he thought of Su Boheng and Song Ne.

From the perspective of friend and foe, he is naturally an enemy, but his personal integrity and adherence to his own ideals are a good person.

Sometimes I wonder how nice it would be if such a person could help me. There are many things to worry about. At this time, He Xi realized that he was actually missing something and didn't do anything. It is only so difficult to move forward, that is, ideological enlightenment.

It's just something he wants to do but doesn't dare to do?

It is already commendable to persuade Zhu Yuanzhang to wash Mencius's tablet and re-enshrine it. Further, He Xi didn't know if he had been in Zhu Yuanzhang's forbidden area.

It's just that he still wants to have in-depth exchanges with people like Liu Sanwu. Listen to Liu Sanwu's thoughts. At this moment, He Xi is actually not too bottomless in his heart. Whether it is the development of science and technology or the integration of theories, it is a single task for He Xi. It's difficult, but it's not big. But that's no longer the case. This will be an unprecedented social reform in which I don't know how many people will participate. How could He Xi pat his chest and say that he must be able to?

He craves opinions from all directions, even the enemy's biased. As long as there is a little novelty, in He Xi's opinion, it is all useful. Of course, this is also the last time He Xi has always wanted to redeem Liu Sanwu, if he can pull Liu Sanwu over, even if he doesn't stand in line directly, just like Su Boheng, or even default to not hinder, this is He Xi's major victory.

If not, He Xi can only be Laneige as the door, and he has to be removed.

Liu Sanwu said: "The Qi family governs the country and the world, the Qi family is in it, the upper inheritance of self-cultivation, the next pioneer of governing the world, the family and the country of the world, not to be confused, over the years, the people are used to the current life, you a piece of paper, this is to cause chaos in the world." ”

He Xi said: "What happened to this matter, do you know?" ”

Liu Sanwu was stunned, how could he not know, this matter has been troublesome for more than half a year, and he can't do it if he wants to know it. Liu Sanwu said: "It's not just about opening the sea. ”

He Xi said: "What does Master He think Xie Jin and Ding Xian are fighting for? ”

Liu Sanwu didn't answer directly, but asked rhetorically: "What does Master He think they are fighting for?" ”

Xie Jin and Ding Xian have been arguing continuously for most of the past half a year, and they have talked too much. Almost all theories, they have been contaminated. The matter of opening the sea is also a big topic, and the relationship is also very complicated, such as commerce and agriculture, sea and land transportation, the dispute between righteousness and profit, and so on.

He Xi said: "I think the foundation of the two of them is what the people of the world should live like, and whether the people have the right to eat and earn warmth." ”

Liu Sanwu said: "Why do you say this? ”

He couldn't make sense of He Xi's remarks at all.

He Xi said: "People will not flee from their hometowns for no reason. The son is above Mount Tai, isn't it harsh and fiercer than the tiger? Now, the people would rather go to the sea and risk life and death than in their hometown, isn't this harsh government more fierce than Jiaolong? ”

"And in all fairness, is the tax of the imperial court high? So why are they doing this? ”

Liu Sanwu spoke.

He really hadn't thought about it.

If you really want to calculate it, the taxes in Jiangnan are high. But that is official land, the real tax on private land is not high, and even now the whole of the Ming Dynasty, except for some places where wars, other provinces have the taste of recuperation.

If the taxes calculated by the imperial court are followed, even the people under the heavy taxation of Suzhou will live well.

Zhu Yuanzhang does not have the habit of fishing at all.

So why did the common people flee, and who deprived them of the benefits that the court had let out.

Liu Sanwu said: "Lord He's words are bad, Miao has good and bad. People have a good life. In the township, there are some evildoers, idlers, and profit-seekers. It has little to do with it. ”

He Xi said: "I heard that Zhou was in addition to the three evils, and the villagers thought that Zhou was killed, what it was like, and these people who were evil and idle were gone. Why is the local area unhappy, and what's wrong with this? ”

Liu Sanwu lowered his head and thought carefully.

Liu Sanwu has never been a local pro-people official, but he is not a fool, he is dozens of years old. It's not that he lives in a vacuum, he thinks that He Xi has a point. The common people are tender and cruel.

Especially in people who don't have any interests, aren't they just some ruffians and hooligans, don't say leave. Even if he dies on the local street, he may close the case on the spot because he feels unlucky. I don't dig deeper.

Because it's too much trouble.

But Liu Sanwu also has some inside information. There are really a lot of people who support Ding Xian this time. Ding Xian took the money softly.

Their reaction is so big, and these people who leave are by no means some kind of ruffians.

but good people, good people in large numbers.

The problem is that when you can live well, you can escape from your hometown.

There is only one reason for people to leave their hometowns, and He Xi has a point.

Returning to He Xi's train of thought, Liu Sanwu must admit that the reason why there is such a large-scale outflow of personnel is because the scholar class is too exploitative, which is not in line with Liu Sanwu's upbringing and knowledge since childhood.

But what else is the explanation?

At this point, Liu Sanwu was a little at a loss.

However, Liu Sanwu said indifferently; "The two are not the same, the court is a major event. It's not child's play, it's gold and silver, it's not to be hungry or thirsty, and the only food is the treasure of the country. The gentry are the backbone of the state. In doing so, you have divided the clans and destroyed the gentry. Moreover, do you think that doing so is really good for the people? You are the son-in-law of His Majesty, and you probably haven't really seen Xiaomin live like this. Natural and man-made disasters can be visited at any time. A small family, a man, and a cold wind may make this family unable to survive. Once the husband died. The wives and children in the family can't survive. It's not that the clan enslaves the small people, but the small people can't do without the clan, and in the countryside, only those who hold together can live better, but the clan is just one of the most. ”

"If there is no clan, there is nothing else? White Lotus, Manichaeism, where did these come from? How it developed. ”

He Xi was silent for a moment, and had to admit that Liu Sanwu's opposition was reasonable.

The clan oppressed the small people, enslaved the people, and the big surnames united to bully the single family. This is naturally not right. But the problem is, if you ask those who are single-family, what they want to do most is not to overthrow the clan, but to be born in the big clan.

It's good to enjoy the shade with your back against a big tree.

The weakness of the small-scale peasant economy is destined to make it possible for yeoman farmers to live better in a group. Even in later generations, those who had just begun to reform the peasants were to organize the peasants and establish cooperatives.

The cooperatives themselves are a model of peasant grouping, and perhaps they are much more advanced than the clans. But in essence, there is not much difference.

There are always pros and cons to many things.

If we don't solve the problem of productivity, there will be no clans, and there will be sects. The clan gentry and sage are naturally not the best choice, and Liu Sanwu also knows some things. But after thinking about it in Liu Sanwu, he still couldn't find a better choice.

Instead of trying haphazardly, you should keep the status quo and fine-tune it.

In short, this discussion with Liu Sanwu made He Xi see from another side the difficulty of implementing the new law in the Ming Dynasty. However, Zhu Yuanzhang has made up his mind. He Xi had to start early.

He Xi said: "These are always solved by finding a way. Mr. Liu, I don't believe it, you don't know what the benefits of the imperial court if it can be done? ”

"Why should the king be profitable?" Liu Sanwu sneered and said: "It is beneficial at every turn, and words are beneficial, is this the attitude that the imperial court should have?" ”

He Xi suddenly didn't know what to say.

This is a radical difference in philosophy, almost irreconcilable.

In He Xi's heart, the government and the court are completely industrialized, or some changes will be made according to local conditions, but there will be no changes on the whole. Even administration is cost-conscious. But what does the imperial court look like in the eyes of Confucianism?