Chapter 556: Ying Zheng's excitement, Concubine Qi wants to return to Qi State
In the Xianyang Palace, Concubine Qi wore Qi clothes, followed by the maids, and walked down the corridor to the palace study.
"Where is the king now?"
Looking at the three eunuchs who were in a hurry with their heads bowed, Concubine Qi stopped and asked.
"Back to Concubine Qi, the king is now in the study!"
In the face of Concubine Qi's inquiry, the eunuch naturally did not dare to hide it.
Although the eunuchs are disabled, they are also human beings, and unlike the ordinary people outside the palace, in the palace, although the eunuchs do not worry about food and clothing, the palace is a place where eunuchs have to stay for the rest of their lives, not only has a strict hierarchy here, but also makes eunuchs have different attitudes towards dozens of concubines.
The most direct thing is that Concubine Qi's status at the beginning, although she was deeply favored by Yingzheng because of Qi and her own beauty, whether it was in the eyes of the palace maids or in the hearts of all the eunuchs, she was far from being able to compare with Princess Mi.
Princess Mi is the princess of Chu State, and after becoming the princess of Yingzheng, she not only added heirs to Yingzheng, but also had the support of Chu officials behind her, so the status in the palace can be imagined.
In the eyes of almost all eunuchs and maids, when it comes to princesses in the palace, there are only Princess Mi and other princesses.
It wasn't until the past, when Concubine Qi faced Ying Zheng's inquiry and said that the famous sword Zhan Lu began, everyone had a hunch that General Bai Yan, who was deeply favored and respected by Ying Zheng, would have a closer relationship with Concubine Qi because of this, so far, in the eyes of all the maids and eunuchs, Concubine Qi began to have a little more with 'other princesses', a little special.
You must know that Bai Yan at that time, but in the court, he took his life to block the sword for Yingzheng, as the eunuchs who served Yingzheng in the palace all the year round, they all knew that a person who could serve Yingzheng and didn't even want his life, in Yingzheng's heart, such a courtier was the biggest difference from other ministers.
And Concubine Qi and Bai Yan are good friends, which can naturally make Concubine Qi's status somewhat different.
And, not long ago, news came that Bai Yan, who had made great achievements for the Qin State, was the Qi State!
Like Concubine Qi, they are all Qi people from the Qi country.
In an instant, all the maids and eunuchs were dumbfounded, and all the eunuchs and maids knew how heavy the weight behind this matter was, just look at Princess Mi.
Now General Bai Yan was ordered by the king to lead the army of Qin, and it was not long before he destroyed Wei, and the merits were not rewarded, so he continued to command the army and attacked Chu for Qin, and also sent the Kyushu Ding, which had disappeared for nearly fifty years, and even in the palace, all the maids and eunuchs had already learned what was happening in Xianyang City today.
Seeing Concubine Qi now, in the eyes of the eunuchs, he has unconsciously put Concubine Qi and Princess Qi together in his heart.
"Good!"
Concubine Qi heard the eunuch's words, nodded, and then continued to take the maid and walked towards the study.
Moments later, outside the palace study.
Concubine Qi took the maid, and before she walked to the study, she saw Wang Juan and Li Si, standing in the courtyard outside the study, talking, as if the two had no intention of entering the study.
"Imperial History! Tingwei! ”
Concubine Qi saw the two and greeted them very politely.
"Concubine Qi!"
"Concubine Qi!!"
When Wang Juan and Li Si saw Concubine Qi, they also looked at Concubine Qi head-on, raised their hands under the loose embroidered robe, and saluted Concubine Qi.
"Why are you here?"
After Concubine Qi finished the ceremony, she looked at the study curiously, and then looked at Wang Juan and Li Si, the eunuchs outside the study didn't seem to stop her, Concubine Qi didn't understand why the two were standing here.
"Could it be that the king is not in the study at this time?"
Concubine Qi thought of this and looked at the two.
"Back to Concubine Qi......"
Wang Juan heard Concubine Qi's inquiry, bowed his hand, thought about it, but didn't know how to talk about it for a while.
Seeing this, Li Si looked at Concubine Qi's puzzled eyes, then opened his mouth and told Concubine Qi what had happened.
"The King Goes Up to the Sacrifice After ......"
In Li Si's complaint, it turned out that Ying Zheng ordered the palace to prepare a banquet after the sacrifice was completed, and immediately ordered Li Si, Wang Xuan, Chang Wenjun, and Wei Yu to investigate the matter of Kyushu Ding.
In the past, all the iron knights who participated in the digging of Kyushu Ding were investigated separately, and Wei Yu and Chang Wenjun were responsible for interrogating them one by one to confirm that the oral statements were correct, and Wang Juan and Li Si were responsible for investigating the files and confirming the origin of all the soldiers, where they lived, and how many people were in their families......
Obviously, Ying Zheng attaches great importance to this matter, and it is up to these ministers to investigate it personally.
Today, in front of everyone's eyes, hearing Xun Shuo's words, looking at Xun Shuo's outspoken words, everyone in the world can go to verify, in fact, everyone has already believed in this matter, so Li Si and others also thought that it should be okay to investigate all the soldiers, carefully investigate the origins, and interrogate each of them separately for different details, and then report to Yingzheng after checking that it is correct.
I never thought that with the story of the iron cavalry soldiers, and everyone was separated, after investigating and comparing them one by one, there was no deviation in the slightest, and the files were presented to Ying Zheng, but Ying Zheng ......
"The king has ordered Chang Wenjun and the national lieutenant to go to the third inspection!"
Li Si said this, his cheeks full of wry smiles.
Obviously, everything is true, but Ying Zheng's actions are like 'fake', and they are reviewed over and over again.
However, Li Si can understand Ying Zheng's mood in his heart, let alone Ying Zheng, even if he is the king of any vassal state, or even any person, in the face of such a thing, he will be very excited, and it is difficult to tell his feelings.
Even they knew that in the next two or three days, Ying Zheng was estimated to be so excited that he couldn't sleep.
However, it has been determined so many times now...... If you investigate it again, in addition to the joy of the Ying Zhenghui again and again, these ministers only have the exhaustion and exhaustion of the cycle.
"Please also Concubine Qi, go and persuade the king!"
Li Si and Wang Juan glanced at each other, and both of them couldn't help but show a helpless look, smiled bitterly, and then pleaded with Concubine Qi.
Ying Zheng's excitement can be understood by them as courtiers, but at this time, they really don't want to repeat what they have investigated so many times.
"I see, don't worry, two adults!"
When Concubine Qi heard this, she couldn't help laughing, and hurriedly returned the salute to the two ministers, saying that she would try her best to persuade Yingzheng.
Inside the study.
"If we go to investigate again, this matter must be recorded in detail in the bamboo silk, and there must be no omission......
Concubine Qi had just entered the study, and she saw that no matter what she was facing in the past, even when she was worshipping her ancestors, she would kneel behind the wooden table in an orderly manner and deal with state affairs, but at this moment, she was standing aside and walking back and forth.
Concubine Qi watched Han Zhi receive orders from Ying Zheng, turned around and prepared to leave, so she nodded with Han Yu and saluted.
When Han Yu saw Concubine Qi, he also nodded slightly, but the expression on his face was a wry smile, no different from Wang Juan and Li Si outside the study.
Obviously, it is also because of Kyushu Ding, or the fact that the sky entrusted the dream to Bai Yan.
Seeing Han Yu leave, Concubine Qi looked at the dozens of open bamboo slips on the wooden table, and then looked at Ying Zheng.
"Meet the King!"
Concubine Qi stepped forward and saluted Yingzheng.
Ying Zheng's face was full of excitement, and after seeing Concubine Qi coming, his eyes were full of joy, and the excited look on his face was simply ecstatic and indescribable.
This is the first time Concubine Qi has seen her, Ying Zheng is so excited, and even the whole person looks like two people compared to usual.
"Aifei!"
Ying Zheng couldn't wait to step forward, looked at Concubine Qi with a happy face, stepped forward a few steps, and grabbed Concubine Qi's shoulders directly with his two hands.
"Does Concubine Ai know what happened today?"
Ying Zheng asked with an excited smile, a little impatient in his tone, and even a hint of disbelief.
Like a child, he gets an incredible good thing and can't wait to share it with others.
And perhaps it was precisely because of excitement and disbelief that Ying Zhengfang would confirm over and over again that it was true, and he was extremely excited, and he wanted to ask those soldiers again and confirm it again.
"The concubine doesn't know, please make it clear to the king......"
Concubine Qi saw Ying Zheng's excited appearance and felt the pain in her shoulder, although she knew why in her heart, but in the face of Ying Zheng's inquiry, Concubine Qi still showed a puzzled look, and her beautiful eyes flashed with curiosity.
"Bai Yan ...... when he was in Surabaya"
Ying Zheng said excitedly, let go of Concubine Qi's shoulders, and then walked back and forth a few steps, while clearly informing Concubine Qi of what happened today, and Ying Zheng also specially told Concubine Qi that Ying Zheng had sent Chang Wenjun, Wei Yu, Li Si and others to investigate this matter.
The results are all true.
All the iron cavalry soldiers told the story in detail, the address, and the random investigation of the incident, and everything proved that this matter was indeed true.
Everyone saw with their own eyes that it was found under the deep roots of a giant tree that had been around for forty years!
What does this mean?
This is a real thing, everyone can confirm that it is really the heavens that gave dreams to Bai Yan.
When he said this, Yingzheng's whole person's expression was a little excited, and even his eyes were trembling with excitement.
This event will not only be recorded in the bamboo slips and passed down through the ages, but will also be passed on by the world.
What could be more exciting for a king?
"This ......!"
When Concubine Qi heard this, her beautiful eyes were full of surprise and disbelief, and then she came back to her senses and hurriedly congratulated Ying Zheng.
"Concubine, congratulations to the king!"
Concubine Qi said, and then fell into memory.
"No wonder when the concubine was young, my father had ordered people to find the Ding many times, and even many scholars in the Qi Kingdom also thought about it, hoping that the Kyushu Ding would return to the Qi State again, so that the Qi State would be blessed by the sky, but for so many years, everyone had nothing to gain, but I didn't expect that the Kyushu Ding was buried in the ground, and with the passage of so many years, it was even hovered in the ground by the root of a giant tree!"
Concubine Qi recalled the scene when she was a child, thinking that she had curiously asked her father about Jiuzhou Ding, full of nostalgia, and then looked at Yingzheng.
"I'm afraid it's not the sky to grant General Bai Yan, Kyushu Ding, no one knows anymore!"
When Concubine Qi said this, she was really in her heart.
When she learned the news today, Concubine Qi didn't expect that the tripod sent by Bai Yan was really a Kyushu tripod, and she had been worried about Bai Yan before.
And after relieving her heart, what she didn't expect was that Bai Yan found Jiuzhou Ding because of a dream.
Not only her, but it is estimated that people all over the world would not have imagined that Kyushu Ding was not falling in Surabaya, but had been buried underground.
As for Bai Yan's dream, after Concubine Qi learned about it, she also believed that it was God's order, otherwise how could Bai Yan have such a dream, and follow the dream, really found the giant tree, and really found the Kyushu Ding under the giant tree.
"What the concubine said is very true! Countless people in the world, looking for decades without success, all countries are seeking Jiuding, and they can't beg, if it is not a dream from the sky, how can Jiuding be revealed! ”
Ying Zheng looked at Concubine Qi's beautiful eyes full of memories and listened to Concubine Ai's words.
Ying Zheng couldn't help but think of the King of Qi, the countless scholars of the Qi State who had been looking for the crown for generations, but found nothing, and there were other vassal states.
At this moment, Ying Zheng didn't know how to tell the excitement in his heart, this incident really shocked Ying Zheng too much, and even now, Ying Zheng still can't calm the excitement in his heart.
"Ai Concubine, the widow has already made up his mind, and when General Wang Jian recovers from his illness, he will immediately summon Bai Yan back to Xianyang! Besides, Bai Yan led the troops to destroy Wei, and he has not been rewarded yet! ”
Ying Zheng's expression was full of excitement, this is a dream granted by the heavens and a matter of inheriting the destiny of heaven.
At this moment, no, it was on the streets of Xianyang City today, when he heard Xun Shuo say those words, the biggest thought in Ying Zheng's heart was to summon Bai Yan, immediately, immediately.
Even if so much time has passed, from confirming that it is the real Kyushu Ding, to the later sacrifice in front of the people of Xianyang, and finally returning to the palace hall to worship, the sky outside is almost dusk, but in Ying Zheng's heart, the eagerness to see Bai Yan is not only not a little less, but more and more eager.
Even Ying Zheng thought that when the old general Wang Qian's illness improved, he would immediately ask Wang Jian to replace Bai Yan and let Bai Yan return to Xianyang.
There are too many words in his heart, Ying Zheng can't wait to ask Bai Yan in person immediately, ask about everything completely, look at the bamboo slips on the wooden table, in Ying Zheng's eyes, although Wei Yu and Chang Wenjun asked those iron cavalry soldiers several times, but everyone, after all, is not Bai Yan who is entrusted by the sky.
More and more experiences, details, and scenes in the dream realm, only Bai Yan knows.
"The king wants to summon Bai Yan?"
Concubine Qi looked at Ying Zheng who looked excited. It was the first time for her to have such a willful mind, and she didn't even care that Qin Chu was fighting, but she also wanted to let Bai Yan return to Xianyang, and for a while, Concubine Qi couldn't cry or laugh.
Even she is a woman who knows that changing generals before the war is a taboo!
Looking at Ying Zheng, who was eager and had always been unable to calm down the emotions in her heart, Concubine Qi thought about it and watched Ying Zheng open her mouth to persuade.
"The king, in the eyes of the concubines, since it is God's order, it must be because of Bai Yan's loyalty to the king, and the king thinks about it, Bai Yan was in the battlefield for the Qin State and led the Qin army to shed blood and kill the enemy, it must be so Bai Yan, so that he can be instructed by the heavens, lead the way and get the Ding, if the king lets Bai Yan fight regardless of Qin and Chu, wouldn't it be the end of the ......"
Concubine Qi looked at Ying Zheng.
It is said that women are more careful, and when Ying Zheng wants to summon Bai Yan, the short-sighted woman will definitely echo Ying Zheng, which can not only please Ying Zheng and relieve Ying Zheng's urgency, but also allow Bai Yan to return to Xianyang, get a reward, once noble, and be made friends by the world
But Concubine Qi is different, Concubine Qi knows very well when Bai Yan will come back, in the Qin State, where are the credits in Yingzheng's heart, not only will this credit not fade with time, but will make Yingzheng remember those credits more with his heart.
And at this time, instead of rushing back to Xianyang, Concubine Qi knew that what she had to do was to imperceptibly change Bai Yan's image in Ying Zheng's heart when Ying Zheng was eager to see Bai Yan.
In this way, with Ying Zheng's thoughts, when remembering those achievements, Bai Yan's loyal figure will also be imprinted in Ying Zheng's heart during this period of time, deepening, and will not be forgotten with the years, even if there is a villain behind it, it is difficult to change.
Concubine Qi knew very well that once a dignitary was nothing, and she would not be suspicious of the king in the future, so she would be glorious.
In Concubine Qi's heart, she didn't want to see Bai Yan, who was also a Qi person, just a temporary favored minister, and the Bai Yan that Concubine Qi wanted to see even more was a general of the Qin State who would not be suspicious of Yingzheng at any time in the court of the Qin State, and would not stand tall.
In this way, Concubine Qi is in the palace, not only has her status worry-free, but also in the court, and her heirs do not need to worry about no one to support her in the future.
"What Concubine Ai said is reasonable! It's a widow ......."
Ying Zheng listened to what Concubine Qi said, both awakened and helpless.
His heart was full of entanglement, Ying Zheng was excited, and when he thought that Bai Yan couldn't go back to Xianyang and couldn't see Bai Yan immediately, how could he feel good and how willing he was.
However, not mentioning what Concubine Qi said, reason was also telling Ying Zheng that since Bai Yan asked to attack Chu, he must have a plan, and the war between Qin and Chu is related to the situation in the world and the rise and fall of the two countries, so at such an important time, Bai Yan is indeed not suitable to return to Xianyang immediately.
However, Ying Zheng is really eager to see Bai Yan.
Outside the study of the Royal Palace
Li Si and Wang Juan talked in a whisper, as they participated in the investigation of the Kyushu Ding, the two of them could also better understand the incredibleness in the process of finding the Ding, if there was no dream, it is estimated that there would be no one at all, who could find the giant tree, and still under the giant tree, find the Kyushu Ding.
"Win Kan-sama!"
Looking at Ying Kan, who was hurrying in official clothes under the corridor in the distance, Li Si and Wang Juan raised their hands one after another.
When Ying Kan saw Li Si and Wang Juan, he also quickly stopped and returned the salute to the two.
"Is the king still reviewing?"
Seeing the appearance of Li Si and Wang Xuan, Ying Kan glanced at the study and asked curiously.
When Wang Juan and Li Si heard this, they glanced at each other, then looked at Ying Kan and nodded.
"I'm afraid that the king already has the heart to be the king for Bai Yan this time, so it depends on how the hundred officials will react to the matter of the king."
Wang Juan sighed.
Li Si and Ying Kan were not surprised when they heard this, especially in Ying Kan's eyes, there was nothing strange about Bai Yan's title, the feudal monarch was not in the title of Qin Lu, it was more of an honor, for example, he himself was Chongquan Jun, but compared to before, Ying Zheng gave Chongquan to him as a fief, which is true.
And Bai Yan, although he is not a feudal monarch, but Bai Yan, who already has a fief in the Qin State, although he has no name, he already has a name, but he doesn't know whether it is Luoyin Jun or Yingzheng who specially named Bai Yan.
For other feudal monarchs, Ying Kan may have remarks, but only Bai Yan, Ying Kan agrees from the bottom of his heart, not mentioning Bai Yanrong's horse battlefield, the injuries on his body, that is, the merit of protecting the king, and the three things of destroying Wei and finding Kyushu Ding, are enough to have the title of a feudal monarch.
"If the king does not allow Bai Yan to increase the fiefdom, and Bai Yan is the military exploit of the Qin State, the matter of the king, the hundred officials should not be able to do anything."
Li Si shook his head and said.
At this moment, when Li Si said this, he was also a little emotional.
And at this moment, I suddenly saw that Han Yu, who had just left not long ago, came in a hurry for some reason, and walked straight to the palace study, his expression was full of hurry.
Originally, the three of them didn't pay attention to it, but after a while, they suddenly saw Han Yu walking out of the study and coming to the three of them with a panicked expression.
"Three great adults, summoned by the king! Please go to the study immediately! ”
Han Yu said anxiously.
Seeing this, this couldn't help but make Li Si, Ying Kan, and Wang Juan full of doubts.
"But what happened?"
Li Si thought about it, and before going to the study, he still took the lead in looking at Han Yu and asked softly.
In the face of Li Si's inquiry, Han Yu looked around and did not hide it.
"Prime Minister Zuo is in Qi and has been assassinated"
Han Yu's eyes were full of horror, and he said softly.
Following Han Yu's words, after Li Si, Wang Xuan, and Ying Kan heard it, their expressions changed instantly, and after glancing at each other, the three of them immediately didn't care about anything else, and hurriedly walked towards the study.
And in the study.
Li Si and the others had just entered, and they saw Ying Zheng holding a bamboo slip and looking down, while Concubine Qi stood aside with a worried face.
"Your Majesty!"
"Your Majesty!!"
After Li Si, Ying Kan, and Wang Juan saluted, they glanced at Concubine Qi, and there was no surprise.
Qi is the mother country of Concubine Qi, and the King of Qi is the father of Concubine Qi, and now Prime Minister Zuo died in Linzi of Qi State, this matter is by no means a trivial matter, no matter how the King of Qi is, he must give an explanation to Qin State, otherwise the clansmen of Kui will be dissatisfied, and the corporal of the world will also take this matter and discuss the government.
"Your Majesty, it should not be the King of Qi, the minister thinks that Qin and Chu have just been at war, and now there is a shortage of grain and millet in various places, and the support for the war with Chu is still weak, and now the Qin State must not take the liberty of fighting with the Qi State, when it is to send envoys, immediately go to the Qi State and question the King of Qi."
After Li Si and Wang Juan glanced at each other, they took the lead and said.
As reported by Taicang Ling in the court before, the Qin State fought one after another, such as although the territory expanded rapidly, but the army has been raised year after year, and the inventory has been exhausted, if it were not for the Ying political power to override the public opinion, the hundred officials did not approve of Bai Yan sending troops to attack the Chu State.
Now in the face of Kui Xiang's assassination, Li Si knows that the most important thing is not to rush to find out the real culprit behind the scenes, but that Qin must not be at war with Qi and Chu at the same time at this time.
"Yao Jia, Mao Jiao, and are all in Qi State, now in the court, who else can be sent to Qi?"
Ying Zheng heard Li Si's words, raised his head, and handed the bamboo slip to the three of them for a look.
Ying Zheng also knew that Li Si's words were right, the assassination of Kui had absolutely nothing to do with the King of Qi, if the King of Qi had the intention to break with the Qin State, there was no need to break with the Prime Minister of the Qin State by assassinating him, and he could send troops.
But the problem to be faced now is that in the matter of the assassination of the prime minister of Qin, the Qi State at this time must be panicked, and the King of Qi must also be uneasy, and the envoys of Qin State to Qi State can not only have a higher status than the prime minister, but more importantly, they can send Qi State to meet the King of Qi in person, and through persuasion, appease the King of Qi, and let the King of Qi give Qin an answer.
Under these three conditions, it is impossible for any official to achieve them, and the most important thing is that the slightest mistake will make King Qi angry.
Inside the study.
In the face of Ying Zheng's inquiry, the three people who had seen the bamboo slips all quieted down, not knowing how to answer Ying Zheng's question.
And in this matter, in fact, the three of them are clear, not to mention that there are basically no ministers who can go to Qi State if they meet the conditions, even if they do, they may not be willing to go to Qi State at this time.
Zuo Prime Minister Kui was assassinated in the Qi State, and it was not only the Qi State that was in turmoil.
In the face of this vacancy in the position of the left prime minister, the court of the Qin State will also set off a fight, and the higher the status of the person at this time, the more unlikely it is to leave the Qin State.
"If you can't send envoys to Qi as soon as possible, once the king of Qi allies with Chu because of this matter. General Bai Yan can still lead the army of Qin at this time, in Qufu between Qi and Chu! In the face of the alliance between Qi and Chu, if you are not careful, you will definitely be surrounded by Qi and Chu! ”
At this time, Ying Kan thought about it, frowned and looked at Li Si and Wang Juan, and then looked at Ying Zheng and said.
Ying Kan knew that he had to find someone at this time and send an envoy to the State of Qi as soon as possible to appease the King of Qi, otherwise it would be difficult to guarantee that the King of Qi would not form an alliance with the State of Chu.
Quiet in the study.
At this time, when he learned that Kui Zheng was assassinated and died in Linzi, he instantly cast a shadow on Yingzheng's joy, and also made Yingzheng's face a little gloomy.
Who would dare to assassinate Kui?
In Ying Zheng's mind, the first reaction was the state of Chu, but then there was doubt, in Linzi, with guards in the form of kui, even if the state of Chu wanted to assassinate, there was no chance at all.
"Your Majesty, the concubine is willing to send an envoy to the Qi country!"
Concubine Qi's voice suddenly reached Ying Zheng's ears at this time, and Ying Zheng couldn't help but turn his head to look.
Li Si, Wang Xuan, and Ying Kan also looked at Concubine Qi with a surprised expression.
"Your Majesty, the concubine is willing to be the king and appease her father! And he will definitely let his father find out the real culprit who assassinated Prime Minister Zuo! ”
Concubine Qi saluted in the eyes of Ying Zheng, Li Si and others, and after the salute, she immediately raised her head and faced Ying Zheng's eyes, and there was no dodge in her beautiful eyes.
"Your Majesty, maybe so!"
At this time, Li Si reacted and hurriedly saluted Yingzheng.
Concubine Qi is the beloved daughter of the King of Qi, at this time Concubine Qi went to the Kingdom of Qi and met the King of Qi, the relationship between father and daughter is far from being comparable to the foreign ministers.
"Your Majesty, Weichen also agrees, and Concubine Qi will send an envoy to the Qi country!"
Ying Kan also looked at Ying Zheng from Concubine Qi at this time, and raised his hand in agreement.
Ying Zheng heard Li Si and Ying Kan's words, and saw Wang Juan nodding in agreement, and finally looked at Concubine Qi.
In ancient times, it was very superstitious, and even many scholars had to divinate when they went out.
As mentioned earlier:
When Concubine Qi had not yet married into the Qin State, in the village, many villagers, whether they were young or middle-aged men, or old men, talked about this Princess Chan of the Qi Kingdom, they could not boast anymore, if any villager could be lucky enough to see Princess Chan's carriage in Linzi City, from a distance, even if it was avoided, it was enough to make the villagers excited for a long, long time, or even as a conversation for several years.