Facing Guo Kang's answer, Odosia smiled bitterly.

"The result of my research is that with my identity, I can't do anything in the current order." She shook her head.

"You can't say that." Zhu Wenkui didn't believe it: "I often deal with people at the bottom, it's not that I don't know that their lives are difficult. But this and not being able to do anything are two different things. ”

"No matter how bad your situation is, you still have Brother Li to help you, and you have someone to support you. Here, it's already good. My grandfather was alone, in the troubled times at the end of the Yuan Dynasty, and for three years, he had to rely on his fate to beg for food. It's much more difficult and dangerous than your situation. I didn't see him complaining that he was in a bad situation, so he couldn't do anything. ”

"Can that be the same?" Odosia said helplessly: "You don't really think that he is just a fate." I haven't been to the Central Plains, so I don't know what the situation was at that time, but even in a relatively stable and wealthy place like Dadu, ordinary beggars, like other low-level people, are easy to die and can't live long. ”

"It's okay to insist on it for three years, it's definitely not just just begging, it is estimated that at least a group of people are begging for food violently, and it's almost the same. It's just that later he became a decent person, and when he told others about this experience, he had to emphasize that he was in peace with himself, and he didn't mean to rebel; It's hard to say directly, long before the incident, he began to rob houses every day. So, let's find such a relatively euphemistic statement. Anyway, it's not a lie. Anyone who understands the world can directly understand the meaning. ”

"He can do this because his combat effectiveness is ridiculously strong." She analyzed Zhu Wenkui: "If ordinary people want to start from scratch, they must not only have the ability to organize people. Because according to historical experience, when you just recruited people and started to do big things, you had to go to many battles yourself, so you can slowly accumulate experience and prestige, so that the power can roll bigger and bigger. Therefore, personal martial arts are also very important. ”

"Whether it's Seris or Rome, the easiest way for those at the bottom to climb to the top is through war. Even to the emperor, this is true. You should know very well that people like Emperor Wu of the Song Dynasty and Taizu of the Ming Dynasty who are particularly capable of fighting have the ability to truly change society. Even if there is some accumulation of family background, it is best to be like Tang Taizong and Song Taizu, and have excellent martial arts. , force is the most fundamental power, and it is also the only thing that people who have almost nothing can rely on. ”

"However, these are people who have not been common in the whole of history. How can ordinary people learn? She shook her head and admitted: "I was unwilling back then, and I also thought about learning some martial arts, hoping to at least be able to defend myself." Moreover, if martial arts can be practiced, in the environment where the troupe is located, it can also increase some of the right to speak. But in the end, only the kung fu of running away is a little proficient, and other aspects are just commonplace, obviously not this material. Therefore, I had no choice but to give up. ”

"The little girl practices this, and she really can't compare to the man. It's hard work......"

"I've never heard that a woman can start a country, and that's probably the reason."

"Yes, there are still very few weirdos like your sister. And it can't just be brute force. ”

Others already knew about her escape. Moreover, everyone also found that she is actually very "motivated" - at least much more active than Li Xuanying. Therefore, they just talked about it for a few words, and it was not surprising that she had also practiced martial arts.

"Shizi, since you know the life at the bottom, you should be able to understand the difficulty of survival there." Odosia asked Zhu Wenkui rhetorically: "If you are in this kind of environment, how far can you go?" ”

Zhu Wenkui couldn't answer for a while. After all, his father and he didn't seem to have inherited much of their ancestors' martial arts level, and many of their previous actions were fought by Captain Jeska and others, and these people were actually recruited by his father in the name of King Wu. Grandpa still has a number of how difficult the situation was back then. If he was thrown into such a real low-level environment, starting from nothing, he probably wouldn't be able to hold it himself.

Even among these interrogators here, he can probably barely beat Guo Kang, and he is really embarrassed to comment on the topic of force. This question belongs to which pot is not opened and which pot is not mentioned......

Seeing this, Theodora took the initiative to speak and took over the topic.

"You have a point. A woman at the bottom will indeed be more powerless than a man. However, what Shizi said was also right. There are also some advantages. She said, "Heavenly Father is fair, and if you are limited in one way, He will give you additional favors in other ways." Ordinary men can't get so much help from Li Gongzi. You should make good use of what you have. ”

"At the beginning, you might as well use his help and other wealthy businessmen to try to get in touch with the higher-ups. That's also a way to do it. At least, if I had known you in advance, with your level of learning ability and knowledge, I would definitely have managed to recruit you. She assured.

"Climbing up in this way is indeed easy to be looked down upon by the military and bureaucrats who are on the right path. But if someone is excluded from the right path in the first place, then even if she does not follow the right path, it should not be considered unjust. Because this situation is not due to her personal choice, but is determined by nature, she does not need to bear the moral responsibility corresponding to this part. ”

Tuhuan and the others glanced at each other a few times and did not speak for the time being.

"Men are trying to climb up, women are trying to climb up. People on both sides are the same mixed fish, and there are all kinds of things. Theodora points out: "Many of the women who went in and out of the various social establishments of the upper classes, and tried to enter the court circles, were only in hue, lacking the ability and intellect corresponding to their ambitions, the latter of which was undoubtedly the most important; Many people also do not have enough moral level and sense of responsibility to let them enter the center of power, for fear that it will cause harm. ”

"In the metropolis, these places are limited. If you don't try to occupy a position, you may be occupied by other people who are not as competent and moral as you. If you feel that you are capable enough to do things, and that you have enough motivation and a sense of justice to change society, it is better to join the Roman order than to oppose it. She shook her head, "To be honest, I still admire you." It's a pity ......."

"What else do you want to pull people for?" Tuhuan couldn't hold back and said, "Many of the seats you occupy have exceeded the traditional rules. No matter who you change, it's not in accordance with the rules. It's all at this time, and I still teach others not to learn well. ”

"Again, I have no problem." Theodora said indifferently, "Since there are men and women in the world, they have their own duties." Men have the power provided by the court and official positions, and women have corresponding positions. Is there anything wrong with that? ”

"It's not right for a woman to compete for the power to dominate the country." Tuhuan replied: "We in Rome have always been generous and benevolent, not to say that we should look down on anyone, but we need to put the right people in the right places. You are also using this reason on the surface, but in fact, you are just secretly changing the concept, because the position of a woman does not include governing the country in the first place. ”

"Aristotle said a long time ago that women are not fit for the job of governing the state, so they should be kept away from power. If you let it go like this, even if you succeed for a while and get monstrous power, the result will be the end of Empress Lu of the Han Dynasty and Empress Wei of the Tang Dynasty. So, it's like not letting a child play with fire, it looks like it's restricting freedom, but it's actually protecting him. ”

"The nature of power is actually bloody and cruel, hurting far more than fire, how can they endure it? Even if he is shrewd and vicious, he will lose his teacher and land in the end, causing the country to suffer a heavy blow, and he will not be able to protect himself in his later years. It harms both the country and itself. In the final analysis, we forbid the people of the world and these women because of their love for them. ”

"What you mean is that lower-class women have fewer opportunities than men, which everyone agrees on, and there is no need to hide it." He turned to Eudosia and said, "But again, this is not a requirement for us to discriminate against anyone, but for a just government." ”

"The foundation of our Rome is the legion. Male citizens, even if they are poor, can join the army and serve the country, so they should be rewarded. But women's fighting ability, which is inherently inferior to that of men, is basically unable to provide equal help to the legion and the state, so the state can only give them relatively little power. It would be unfair to have to make their power equal to that of men, and let these people who cannot serve as qualified soldiers compete for limited official positions and treatments. What will the veterans think? ”

"When Rome and Carthage were at war, the Roman veterans were given land, wealth, and slaves, while the Carthaginian veterans were not paid as they deserved, but were often suppressed and slaughtered. As a result, Carthage was eventually destroyed, and those who sat back and enjoyed it, without any respect for the soldiers, did not end well. Isn't this lesson enough? ”

"It's not like we're not giving it a chance." He goes on to explain: "In Augustan times, it was stipulated that a mother who had three or more children could be freed from the bondage of patriarchal authority and attain the status of a man equal. Because although she did not fight herself, she has provided enough troops for the country and deserves this status. We now retain that policy as well, because that is the basic norm of justice. ”

"You ...... in this case," he hesitated, and said, "if you want to get official status, you must have enough legal descendants with him; In order to legitimize marriage and offspring, it is necessary to obtain a higher formal status...... It seems that the logic is stuck, and I admit that it is indeed somewhat difficult. But this is all solvable, and there is no need to violate the principle of justice. ”

After he finished speaking, Odosia just continued to smile bitterly and did not answer, but Theodora did not agree.

"The words of Aristotle you quote are a change of concept." She retorted: "Plato records that Socrates had discussed the question of endowments with Glaucon, and he did not say so. ”

Socrates said that some people are bald, while others have long hair. This is the difference in endowment, and everyone can see it directly. But if we use this as a reason to prohibit bald people from being shoemakers, or to prohibit people with long hair from being shoemakers, then everyone will think that this rule is ridiculous. Because this endowment has nothing to do with the qualities required of a shoemaker. ”

"In the same way, the quality of building and managing a country comes from education, not from innate differences in gender. Therefore, Socrates believed that women could also be the guardians of the state and participate in administrative duties. Aristotle's statement is contrary to the meaning of the ancestor and the teacher. ”

Socrates and Plato were well analyzed, but Aristotle had to tamper with them and incorporate them into his own ideas. As a result, for nearly 2,000 years, Aristotle's discourse was admired, but the original meaning of philosophy was forgotten. Isn't that right? ”

"Princess." At this time, Odosia interrupted her.

"I'm grateful that you can understand me, but in this matter, Taiji is closer to the truth than you said." She said, sighing, "I think we need to know first what Rome is. And your understanding of this seems to be a little skewed. ”

"I've seen the history of Rome and I've seen the history of Seris. I'm sure you've read it all. But in reality, Rome was not a country like Seris, he was a shell of the army. The whole country and its various policies revolve around the military. If you don't see this all the time, you probably won't be able to understand so many issues. ”

"Taiji has already said just now, why some people can get preferential treatment." She said to Theodora: "The logic in this is actually very simple. ”

"The government of Rome is actually an auxiliary department for the legions. The most basic purpose of the workshops was to provide ordnance and farming equipment; commercial activities are carried out for the purpose of obtaining military spending; Management, fertility and education are carried out in order to provide qualified recruits. ”

"The Legion, on the other hand, undertook the two most central tasks, war and farming. They use war to protect arable land, or to acquire more arable land; Then through farming, they can sustain their own survival and provide the consumption necessary for war. The system has been working this way for decades, and it is really combative and efficient. The entire Mediterranean world must have not seen such a system for a long time. ”

"Unless they suffer a serious defeat and the cycle cannot continue, the country and the army will be forced to stop and collapse. However, I don't think that any of these forces around me can stop it. Eudosia shook her head:

"Moreover, the barbarian region is far more vast than it was in ancient Rome; Our development capabilities have also improved a lot. This has made the benefits of war and exploitation enormous, and most people have indeed benefited from it to a greater or lesser extent, and I don't see any possibility that this system will stop in the short term. ”

"Isn't that a good thing?" Tuohuan asked.

"yes. However, such a system has forcibly improved the efficiency of social operation to an astonishing extent through strong organization. Its efficiency is indeed very high, and it can make the most efficient use of all manpower and resources. Probably, this is the reason why it is so powerful. Odosia thought for a moment and said:

"But again, if you don't need it for the Legion, those resources will be far away from you. And because of their efficient way of organizing, there is little room for manoeuvre in this situation. ”

"I've always thought that even if I didn't have the Li family's special experience, my profession would have received much more contempt than the rest of Europe. In the ancient Greek dynasties, in other parts of Europe, actresses became mistresses and even wives of kings and nobles. But with us......" she shook her head: "I realized early on that this is impossible. This is not even determined by the Li family's own attitude. ”

"And you should think about it, too." She reminded.

(End of chapter)