In the secret room.

Huang Shangshu said first. Zheng Ci said ill-intentionedly.

Huang Fu, the secretary of the Ministry of Works, glanced at Zheng Ciyin's vulture and said to the emperor.

"Your Majesty, although I have never heard of the so-called 'dynastic cycle law', the minister thinks that what Jiang Xinghuo said is quite biased, referring to the response measures of previous dynasties to the contradiction between man and land, the core is not about man and land, but whether it can restrain the merger."

"Oh?"

Hearing that Huang Fu and Jiang Xinghuo had different views, Zhu Di motioned for Huang Fu to continue.

"Part of the reason why the Zhou Dynasty has a long national fortune is that the Zhou Dynasty implemented the Jingtian system for a considerable period of time, and the Jingtian system avoided the annexation of fields, because the whole world is not the king's land."

The first sentence made Zhu Di's face darken.

Isn't Huang Fu a very pragmatic person?

What's going on with the opening and closing of the well field system, and it is the second to solve the problem?

But fortunately, Huang Fu's next sentence brought Zhu Di's mood back.

"Of course, the well field system is not advisable, after all, two thousand years ago, Lu Xuangong implemented the 'initial tax mu' system, which recognized the uniqueness of the field. And Wang Mang usurped the Han Dynasty and tried to use the 'Wang Tian system' to restore the 'Jing Tian system' all failed, not to mention the current Ming Dynasty, it is impossible to let all the fields belong to His Majesty. ”

"This is the reason why the minister said that it was to suppress the annexation of the land, rather than to prevent the annexation of the land."

Zhu Di bowed slightly, as long as he didn't mention the stupid idea of the Jingtian system to him like Xie Jin, Zhu Di was still willing to listen to the opinions of the important ministers of these countries.

Huang Fu said slowly: "And the field is unique, the minister thinks that it is actually conducive to the development of agricultural production, otherwise the Qin State Shang Yang changed the law, and would not completely recognize the uniqueness of the field, and did not recognize the uniqueness of the field, and the Qin State did not create a system of 'farming-war', and it was impossible to unify the six countries." ”

"In the Han Dynasty, a tenant relationship in agricultural production was formally formed, and the landlord leased the land to the peasants, and the peasants paid a certain tax to the landlord."

"So." Huang Fu solemnly suggested, "The exclusive ownership of the field cannot be abolished, nor can the tenant relationship be abolished, and what the imperial court should do to think about how to control the annexation of the field should be like the previous dynasties, rather than thinking about expanding the land outward or reducing the population." ”

Obviously, Huang Fu didn't understand what "industrialization" was.

Therefore, I subconsciously believe that Jiang Xinghuo's idea of solving the contradiction between man and land is to increase the land through foreign conquest, or control and reduce the population, rather than the traditional inhibition of annexation.

Therefore, there is nothing wrong with Huang Fu's words, from his point of view.

After all, in the age of agriculture, even the most intelligent people could not imagine what the countries of the industrial age would become.

It is inconceivable that only 10 to 20 percent of the country's population is engaged in agricultural production, instead of more than 90 percent as it is now.

It is even more inconceivable that the vast majority of people do not work in the fields, but in the factories.

Even, even Zheng Ci, the secretary of the Criminal Department who was ready to raise the bar with him, agreed with Huang Fu's point of view in his heart.

Although Zheng Ci's ability is at the bottom of the six Shangshu, and even Li Zhigang is inferior, his knowledge and experience are not bad.

Zheng Ci also knew that in the past thousand years, successive dynasties have regarded the annexation of land as a beast of prey, and they have tried every means to curb it, because once the land is in the hands of a few people, it will not only deprive the country of tax sources, but also cause social unrest and undermine the stability and development of the country.

From Cao Wei's "tuntian system" to the "uniform field system" of the Northern Wei and Sui and Tang dynasties, the reason why the war-torn dynasties attached so much importance to the equal distribution of land was that they knew how serious the consequences would be if they did not suppress the annexation of fields.

But knowing that he knows, Zheng Ci is still ready to take a look.

After all, isn't the essence of the party's opposition for the sake of opposition?

But before Zheng Ci could speak, Xia Yuanji, who was quite in agreement with Huang Fu, disagreed.

"Huang Shangshu's words are wrong." Xia Yuanji shook his head and said.

Huang Fu was surprised and asked, "Why?" ”

"It is impossible to abolish the exclusive ownership of the land, or to abolish the tenancy relationship."

Xia Yuanji first opened his mouth to agree with Huang Fugang's point of view, and then expressed a different opinion.

"But according to my understanding of Master Jiang, the solution to the contradiction between man and land will definitely not be to expand the fields or control the population, because the former is mathematically unworkable, and the latter. It doesn't work in the current human ethics and etiquette. ”

Xia Yuanji's words can be described as superficial.

But which of the six Shangshu on the scene is not a smart person?

It only takes a slight turn of his mind to understand what Natsuharaji means.

And in Zheng Ci's heart, he was even more surprised by the title of "Jiang Shi" in Xia Yuanji's mouth.

First there was Daoyan's so-called "Jiang Sheng", and now there is Xia Yuanji's "Jiang Shi", and I don't know why Jiang Xinghuo, whose voice sounds young, has such a great personality.

To be honest, Zheng Ci thought at first that this figure who could make the emperor pay so much attention would be an existence like Jiang Ziya.

But I really didn't expect it to sound so young.

This couldn't help but make him feel a little contemptuous in his heart.

"I'm afraid it's not right to be a young man who doesn't understand temples, if it's an immortal, I'm afraid it won't be as old as the actual age."

However, although Zheng Ci echoed Zhu Di, he did not believe in ghosts and gods.

Therefore, in Zheng Ci's heart, he is more willing to believe that Jiang Xinghuo is a figure like a young Wolong, but he is only talented, and when it comes to temple methods, I am afraid that he is far inferior to an old bureaucrat like him.

This is why he does not want to believe that the emperor, who cares so much, will value an incompetent person. That would make him look even more incompetent when he licked desperately.

But he also doesn't want to believe that he is useless compared to Jiang Xinghuo.

Therefore, Zheng Ci reluctantly found a strong point for himself.

Not to mention Zheng Ci's mind turning, Huang Fu asked Xia Yuanji: "Then Xia Shangshu thinks that since it is not these four methods, and it is not the old countermeasure I proposed to suppress the merger, where is the way to solve the contradiction between man and land?" ”

"I don't know."

Xia Yuanji shook his head and replied very frankly.

Huang Fu was slightly stunned when he saw this.

What does Natsuhara mean? What about teasing him?

"I don't know, though." However, Xia Yuanji immediately said: "But since Jiang Shi said that there is a gap between agricultural countries and industrial countries that is beyond imagination, then I think the answer to the problem of the contradiction between man and land should fall on this 'industrial country'." ”

Looking at Xia Yuanji, who almost had a blind admiration for Jiang Xinghuo, Huang Fu frowned, a little puzzled.

Huang Fu, like Zheng Ci, has reached such a high position, and he doesn't believe in ghosts and gods, so he naturally doesn't believe that Jiang Xinghuo is a so-called immortal.

Middle-aged and elderly people are so stubborn, the three views have long been fixed, and it is difficult to be changed, not to mention the kind of Shangshu Daoyan and Xia Yuanji who are in high positions, which belong to the special situation of touching the heart and being touched.

But even if Huang Fu didn't believe that Jiang Xinghuo was an immortal, Huang Fu had to admit that Jiang Xinghuo was of course capable and knowledgeable.

But even so, how can we create a set of things out of thin air to solve the contradiction between man and land, a problem that has not been solved in 2,000 years, from the perspective of "treating the symptoms"?

It must be known that countless famous ministers in all dynasties, faced with the problem of the contradiction between man and land, almost always gave the answer of "inhibiting annexation".

Either Wang Mang is the kind of person who turns back the clock on history and makes efforts from the four doomed aspects of "abolishing the exclusive system of land ownership, abolishing the tenant relationship, expanding the land outward, and reducing the population inward" just mentioned.

If there is a better way than to "curb mergers", why does no one come up with it?

Therefore, there can be no solution to this eternal problem!

Huang Fu thought so in his heart.

Of course, Huang Fu didn't think that Jiang Xinghuo had put forward so many shocking strategies, maybe there was really a way to solve the contradiction between man and land?

But this thought only flashed in his heart.

After all, Huang Fu had never listened to Jiang Xinghuo's lectures, and the emperor's attention alone was not enough to convince this high-ranking imperial official with outstanding governance ability.

When he reaches his position, he is more willing to trust his own judgment in everything he does.

"Although there is no solution to this kind of thing, it can always be pulled out a few points, but it is okay to say it, if Jiang Xinghuo can't say one, two, three, four, I think it will be very interesting to come to His Majesty the Emperor, after all, His Majesty brought us to listen to the lecture in the edict prison with great fanfare." Huang Fu thought to himself.

Seeing that Huang Fu bowed his head and was silent, Xia Yuanji also knew that he couldn't convince the other party, but this was expected, Huang Fu's old-fashioned stubbornness, it would be strange if he believed it easily.

Xia Yuanji glanced at Zheng Ci, who was sitting straight, and thought in his heart: "I'm afraid that Zheng Shangshu is also convinced of His Majesty's ability to say Jiang Shi on the surface, and he is also very unconvinced in his heart."

And at this moment, Xia Yuanji's gaze collided with the emperor in mid-air.

Zhu Di looked at him with a smile, and Xia Yuanji immediately understood what the emperor meant.

- Now you can question hard, and the harder you question, the more it hurts when you slap your face later.

The more disciplined and well-founded the questioning, the more clumsy and ridiculous Jiang Xinghuo's whimsical solution ideas will become.

It's as if before Li Bai came out, people didn't know how magnificent the imagination expressed in the poem could be.

And Jiang Xinghuo at this time really lived up to Zhu Di and Xia Yuanji's expectations.

As soon as you open your mouth, you go straight to the essence.