Chapter 36: How can the commune produce incense from the production to the household
"Childe, at present, there are more than 200,000 people relocated from Nanyang, Jiangxia, Changsha, and Guiyang counties, I don't know how Gongzi plans to resettle them?"
In the Jiangling City Governor's Mansion, after receiving reports from various counties and counties on the number of people who had resettled, Pang Tong, Pan Jun, Mi Fang, and the second master who had just returned to Jiangling and other high-ranking civil and military officials in Jingzhou all set their eyes on Liu Chan, the youngest state pastor in the history of the Han Dynasty.
"Then I don't know what you think, you might as well talk about it first!"
Although he had already had a general plan in mind for the resettlement of these returnees since he ordered the tax reduction and exemption according to Pang Tong's plan, Liu Chan did not say it directly at this time, but asked everyone present in turn.
After all, in addition to talent, the ability of officials is more tempered through practice. At this point, he didn't want to learn from Zhuge God, and he did everything by himself.
"Adou, there are so many people, it's better to select some young and strong people from them to train into the army, and then divide the rest into the land and order the tuntian......"
As soon as he heard that the number of people who had returned to the country had reached more than 200,000, the second master, the person in charge of the Jingzhou military of Dong Governor, couldn't help but light up, and immediately thought of the expansion of the army.
There is no way, compared to the sinister external environment of Cao Cao in the north and Sun Quan in the east, the current army in the hands of the second master is just over 30,000, which is really a bit stretched.
Previously, Lu Meng and others sneak attacked the four counties of Jingnan, in addition to carelessly not expecting it, a big reason was because the second master put the main forces in the north to fight against the Cao army, which caused an empty situation in the south, which gave them an opportunity.
Therefore, the second master, who was deeply ashamed of this matter, saw that he had such a good opportunity to expand the army now, how could he let it go.
"Prince, although the expansion of the army is urgent, but these people have just moved back, if they are transferred now, I am afraid that the people's hearts will be unstable!"
Without waiting for Liu Chan to speak, Pan Jun, who was engaged in governance, looked at the second master with some concern.
As for the proposal of Tuntian, the lower officials thought it was feasible. The lower officials thought that it was better to let the people reclaim land for two years first, and after the people's hearts were settled, they would then transfer young and strong people, and it would not be too late to train a new army......"
Although he expressed his opposition to the second master's proposal to transfer young men to join the army, Pan Jun agreed very much with the matter of Tuntian.
"This is a bad word! There is a son who vigorously reduces and exempts taxes, and the people are enthusiastic to move back, which is enough to show that the people are back. The lower officials thought that it was the right time to send young and strong people to train into the army at this time, and it would not affect the stability of the people......"
Regarding the issue of people's will that Pan Jun was worried about, Ma Liang put forward the opposite view.
Subsequently, except for Pang Tong, a military advisor who is no longer alive on the bright side, all the civil and military personnel put forward their own opinions.
However, in addition to the disagreement on whether to transfer young and strong people into the army, the proposal of Tuntian proposed by the second master before was unanimously agreed by everyone.
"Since my father led the troops into Sichuan, Jingzhou's troops have indeed been seriously insufficient. The expansion of the army is indeed urgent. However, the people have just moved back, and it is really inappropriate to wantonly transfer young and strong. Second uncle, how about selecting 10,000 young and strong people for the time being, and gradually expanding it in the future? ”
After everyone spoke, Liu Chan thought for a while, and then made the decision to temporarily expand the army by 10,000.
"Hehe, it's not a good thing that the new army will be expanded too much at once, Adou's proposal is deeply in line with my wishes!"
Hearing Liu Chan's decision, the second master, who had never been smiling, couldn't help but smile with satisfaction at this moment.
"In this case, the matter of sending young men into the army has been decided. As for the matter of Tuntian, the boy has a different opinion from you......"
After opening his mouth to decide on the matter of selecting young and strong people to expand the army, to everyone's surprise, Liu Chan showed a lack of interest in the proposal of Tuntian, which was unanimously agreed by everyone.
In fact, as early as the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Tuntian had already begun to be built. But at that time, the main tuntian was in the military tun in the border area. really popularized the Mintun matter, but it still had to start with Cao Cao.
In the first year of Jian'an, after Cao Cao received Emperor Xian of the Han Dynasty to Xuchang, he adopted the suggestions of Zao Qi and Han Hao to provide conditions such as cattle, farm tools, and seeds, attracting a large number of displaced people to collectively cultivate in the Xuchang area to collect taxes.
Later, after discovering that the tuntian system was effective, Cao Cao immediately promoted it in other areas under his rule. For this reason, he also set up special posts in each county to serve as a general and a school consolation for farmers, who were specifically responsible for the affairs of this people.
In fact, this tuntian system did bring immeasurable benefits to Cao Cao. While the armies of other princes were still eating mulberries and mussels because of lack of food, Cao Cao already had a stable supply of food.
It can be said that the reason why Cao Cao was able to finally rise to dominate the north, and even when facing the Sun-Liu alliance, he was in an advantageous position most of the time was because of the stable logistics support brought by this tuntian system.
Therefore, at this time, not only Cao Cao, but also the two sides of the Sun-Liu Alliance are also imitating this Tuntian system, which is also the reason why everyone unanimously agrees with the Tuntian proposal proposed by the second master.
However, this is the Tuntian system that everyone thinks has a lot of benefits, but Liu Chan is not very eye-catching.
In his view, this so-called tuntian was nothing more than the equivalent of the state-run collective farms and people's communes of later generations.
Although compared with the small-scale peasant economy of yeoman farmers, this collective farming has the advantage of efficiency in concentrating on big things, but its disadvantages are also extremely obvious.
The most obvious of these is the people's enthusiasm for production. After all, human nature has a selfish side, you can't let everyone be able to 'take the public as their home', right?
Therefore, this is very similar to the state-owned farms and people's communes in later generations, because of its inherent bureaucratic bloated and rigid system, coupled with the selfish side of human nature, resulting in its theoretical efficiency advantages not only cannot be brought into play at all, but even very easy to fall to the lower limit.
And this is also an important reason why the Mintun system was abolished soon after the return of the Three Kingdoms to the Jin Dynasty in the original history.
Therefore, for such a temporary measure that will do more harm than good, how can Liu Chan, who has 'historical experience', continue to follow suit.
So the boy thought that these people could gather them into villages and towns of different sizes by means of centralized distribution of land, so that they could be managed, but they did not have to force centralized cultivation like the tuntian system. In this way, coupled with low taxes, the enthusiasm of the people is bound to increase. At that time, our army will naturally not have to worry about grain and grass logistics! ”
In the end, in the eyes of everyone's doubts, surprises, and approvals, Liu Chan proposed a resettlement measure to replace the tuntian system with centralized residence and 'guaranteed production to households' from a long-term perspective.
"Letting the people live in a centralized manner is not only convenient for the government to manage, but also when the farming is busy, there is no need for the government to supervise it, and they themselves will help each other...... The law of the son takes the benefits of Tuntian, but there is no disadvantage of Tuntian, and it is all feasible! ”
As soon as Liu Chan's words fell, Pang Tong, who had been silent before, was the first to stand up and express his support this time.