Everyone looked at each other and immediately understood: "You mean, Chao, Xian!" ”

Sonny nodded slightly, and Duoduo said: "Sony, don't you know, in order to enter the battle, the Chao and Xian sides have already supported our 500,000 stone of grain, for them, they can be regarded as doing their duty, and now there is nothing disrespectful, how can they ask for it again?"

As far as I can see, I will contact the Dongfan thieves again to see if I can buy a batch of grain, and then talk about it after the spring famine. ”

Sonny said firmly: "Prince Yu, according to Weichen's view, even if we are not short of food in Liaodong, this time we will fight the dynasty, fresh."

Moreover, the dynasty, Xian can no longer be a vassal state of our Qing Dynasty, this time, the Qing Dynasty wants to annex the dynasty, Xian, at least the actual control of the dynasty, Xian. Otherwise, even after the spring famine, it will be difficult to resist the sea and land attacks of the thieves and the eastern thieves, and the Qing Dynasty will be in danger of losing the country. ”

"Sony, I haven't seen you for a few months, why do you like to talk so much?" Dodor laughed.

Sonny's face was solemn, and he said: "Prince Yu, what Weichen said, every sentence comes from the bottom of his heart, and he dares to guarantee every word with his head, and there has never been a word of big words or lies.

Weichen asked the prince, you chased and killed the Dongfan thief for half a month in the area from Shengjing to the Hunhe River, and you have seen its combat effectiveness with your own eyes, what is its strength? ”

Duoduo said lightly: "The Dongfan thief is indeed a strong army in the world, and in terms of the ability of firearms, the army under my Qing Dynasty and the Han army are inferior. This king does not deny this. ”

"Yes, the Dongfan thieves were driven away only because they were outnumbered, and Liu Li said that the Dongfan thieves only had a brigade of soldiers, less than 10,000 soldiers, and half of them were still fishermen, sailors and even slaves ten months ago or even half a year ago. Only some of them were born in the Southern Guards, which had been in the war for a long time.

With such an army, the rear of our Qing Dynasty, which had been disturbed, was turned upside down, and tens of thousands of elites of the Eight Banners were defeated head-on.

Wei Chen and ask, what if such an army has 50,000, 100,000? "Sony's voice is sonorous and powerful.

Abatai said: "Sony, the Dongfan thieves are a group of businessmen, where to get 100,000 soldiers? ”

Sony immediately retorted: "Li Zhaoji didn't, what about the thieves, they have occupied the entire north, and now there are more than 100,000 elite soldiers."

And the weapons of the East thief, everyone has also seen, the musket is just well-made, the caliber is slightly larger, and the paper shell fixed bullet is not a novelty. The artillery, a lighter redcoat cannon, was nothing special except for some rifled gun, which we had never heard of.

We are still like this, and Nikan, who has used firearms for hundreds of years, naturally understands better.

The thieves will inevitably follow the example of the Eastern Brigade, reform the army, and use the thieves to base half of the Ming country, can't they still build a new army of 50,000?

The Eastern Brigade was formed in the winter of last year, and it has combat effectiveness in half a year, and if the Shun Army learns its methods and helps them build a new army, it may become an army by this time next year.

The current thieves, in fact, are no different from the Ming army, but they are full of food and salary, and they dare to fight, if half of this army becomes the firearms army of the Eastern Brigade next year, will the Qing Dynasty still be an opponent?

Saying that next year is still alarmist, what about three or five years from now? ”

Dodor's face turned red, he had always been proud, he couldn't accept being spoken to his face by a Sony minion, refuting his face, and when he was about to have a seizure, he was intercepted by Dolgon. "Sony is not alarmist.

This king also planned this matter early, and he didn't want to discuss it today, but now it seems that you also have considered it, so you simply discuss it together. ”

Everyone frowned, because what Sony said was true, but a little idealistic.

Seeing that Dolgon didn't speak, he looked around, but found that Bolo was eager to try, and asked, "Bolo, what do you want to say?" To be bold is that since you are allowed to sit here, I will not let you speak. ”

Bolo said: "Prince Rui, during this time, I have been interrogating some people who have defected from Dongfanli.

As Sony-sama said, in fact, there is nothing special about the weapons used by the East Bandits, but they are better made and the materials are better. As for its training, it's not a secret, the Eastern Brigade even has a code of conduct and regulations, and I have already obtained it on my side.

It can be said that with enough people and money, we can also form a similar army. Of course, thieves can too.

Sony-sama's concern is justified, because we are different from thieves, they are not short of people and money, but we lack everything. ”

At present, the military system implemented by the Manchu Qing Dynasty is the Eight Banners System, which is essentially an upgraded version of the Daming Guard system, which is a slave military system, and of course, it also has the characteristics of some tribal soldiers. Of course, the Eight Banners system cannot simply be regarded as a military system, the Eight Banners is an integrated militarized social organization that integrates military and political affairs, soldiers and peasants, and a ruling system that integrates military, administrative, social production, and public services.

From a military point of view, the Eight Banners system is a military system in which soldiers and peasants are integrated and military forces are supported by labor. Completely different from the battalion system implemented in the Guannai now, in the early days, the vast majority of the Eight Banners were still not full-time professional soldiers. There are only a few white-armored guards and the like, which can be regarded as completely off-duty soldiers, who rely on clothing to support themselves and become professional soldiers.

With the Manchu Qing occupying all of Liaodong, the Eight Banners were also discontinued, but instead of the imperial court, the food was not paid, but the field was used instead of the salary, and the Manchu court distributed the grange and the people, and directly relied on the exploitation of the Han people to obtain living and military supplies.

More than one million Han people, dynasties, and fresh slaves fed the population of more than 200,000 Manchurian, Mongolian and Han Eight Banners.

It can be said that the current Eight Banners is a professional large-scale armed bandit group, which needs to constantly loot the materials and population in the pass to meet the consumption and expansion of Liaodong.

And when the Eight Banners became a standing army, they had to get the taxes of the Central Plains after entering the Central Plains, and gave food and salary in the form of finance.

Although most of the current Eight Banners are full-time soldiers, they cannot be counted as standing soldiers.

Soldiers who are always on guard and should be trained in the battalion all year round and who are out of the land. In addition to their military duties, the Eight Banners also had to bear administrative, conscription, social management and other responsibilities, and even in most cases, the Manchu Eight Banners suffered more exploitation than the Han Army Banner.

Of course, this is inevitable, and it abounds all over the world, for example, in Tsarist Russia, in the era of the state, it was precisely the Russians who were most responsible for taxes and forced labor.

If we had to give the current Manchu Qing a higher standing army, then this amount should be about 25,000 to 30,000 people.

This is the largest amount that will be taken out without affecting domestic production and life. It is representative of the looting that occurred from the fifteenth year of Chongzhen to the sixteenth year of Chongzhen.

At that time, the Manchu Qing Dynasty, Manchu, Menghan, and Han Twenty-four Banners, each Niu Lu drew 30 armor soldiers with the expedition, and the 24 Banners had a total of more than 580 whole Niu Lu and about 20 half-cent Niu Lu.

At the same time, each Niu Lu also had to draw five armor soldiers to Jinzhou to temporarily garrison, two armor soldiers to defend permanently, and then to Yizhou, each Niu Lu sent two armor soldiers.

In Ningguta and other places, there are also some soldiers and horses to assist in the defense.

This method of drawing Ding maintained the whole process of Abatai's entry into the customs, that is, eight months, and did not affect the operation and production of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, which can be regarded as the post of the Manchu Standing Army.

Considering that the Manchu Qing Dynasty had 60,000 Manchurian Eight Banners, 25,000 Mongol and Chahar Eight Banners, 30,000 Han Army Banners and 10,000 Domain's troops, it was equivalent to one out of four.

Dolgon nodded slowly, motioning for Bolo to be more detailed, and Bolo said, "We are short of people and money.

Cannons and muskets cost money to build, and although some blacksmiths could also hammer out some muskets, in order to meet the standards of the Oriental Trading Company, it was necessary to assemble specialized gunsmiths to make them, use fine materials, and make them with heart. Of course, we can do these things if we want to.

But money is not a problem. Liu Li said that when Li Zhaoji's Oriental Brigade was formed in Guangdong, it had only 4,500 men and spent 250,000 taels, of which 170,000 taels were paid for silver and the rest was for equipment. However, in the battle, the ammunition consumed was several times this, hundreds of thousands or even millions of ammunition, and it was only then that we won the victory.

We can get Eight Flags to be reloaded with the guns we built, but what about the ammunition? What to do, tens of thousands of eight banners, may consume millions of taels of ammunition, where to get this money? ”

In this way, the difference between the new army of firearms and the traditional army becomes apparent.

The cold weapon army does not consume ammunition, and the armor and swords and spears will only wear out, as long as they are not defeated, the loss will not be very large. Only arrows are consumables, but they can also be crafted by hand.

A set of armor was worth thirty taels and fifty taels, but a musket was less than three taels of silver. The cost of building a cold-weapon army is high, but the cost of consumption of firearms troops is large. For a Manchu empire that did not even have a financial situation, it was simply unable to fully switch the Eight Banners to firearms.

On the contrary, Dashun can do it, not to mention that Li Zicheng quarreled 70 million taels in the capital, even the northern provinces he occupied, after pacifying the localities, can also collect stable taxes according to the tax system of the Ming Dynasty.

It can be said that if Dashun is united in his efforts to reform the military, he can take out 100,000 firearms troops of the standard of the Eastern Brigade in three or five years, and then retreat all the way to Shengjing and destroy the Eight Banners Army.

Bolo said firmly: "I think that whether the Eight Banners are a strong army in the world directly determines the survival of the Qing Dynasty, in other words, whether the Eight Banners can complete the reform of the firearms army determines the survival of the Qing Dynasty." And if you want to do this, you have to have money and people.

And we can't do it in the pass to rob us, so we just sit back and wait for the thieves to break our heads with muskets.

The only hope of the Qing Dynasty was to occupy it, to control it, to annex it. Only by using the resources of the DPRK, the fresh 8 million population and the 3,000 miles of rivers and mountains to our own use, and completing the firearms reform of the Eight Banners, can we be qualified to compete with the thieves to the end.

Otherwise......... ”

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