The two chatted for a while, and the more Miyazaki talked, the more energetic he became.

At this time, although he was over half a hundred years old and his hair was all white, he acted like a child.

A tireless, motivated student who is curious about everything.

Qing Zhiyuan was also patiently answering technical questions in the game with him.

Time flies.

In the blink of an eye, it was gone in more than two hours.

It was then that Qing Zhiyuan remembered the purpose of being entrusted here by Mr. Suzuki.

Miyazaki-senpai is really not honest at all.

After quarreling with his son, although he didn't agree with Wu Lang's point of view at first, he probably thought about it himself after that.

Therefore, in the spirit of seeking truth, I still want to find out what kind of impact computers or future 3D tools can bring to the animation industry.

And how these things are used, and how the effects are made.

Obviously, I am very concerned about the future that Wu Lang said, and if I don't see it, I can immediately agree with Wu Lang, at least Miyazaki wants to know how far the current technology can be done.

……

"That, Miyazaki-senpai, I've actually heard about what happened between you and Goro." Qing Zhiyuan took the initiative to speak.

"Huh?"

Miyazaki was stunned for a moment, then sat silently and took out a cigarette from his pocket and lit it.

"I heard that."

Miyazaki blinked, "That guy Suzuki is really tongue-in-cheek." ”

"Suzuki-san actually cares about you, but he's worried that neither you nor Goro will listen to his persuasion, mainly because they're too familiar." Qing Zhiyuan said.

"So you think I'm an old guy too, do you?" Miyazaki clasped his hands and said a little angrily.

"Not really."

"On the contrary," Qing Zhiyuan said, "I actually agree with you. ”

"Huh?" Miyazaki looked up in confusion.

Did this young man say this for the sake of face, or did he think so from the bottom of his heart?

It stands to reason that Goro's statement is more in favor of the technology and production methods of P Society, but it is him, Hayao Miyazaki's hand-drawn concept seems a little outdated and out of fashion.

Qing Zhiyuan has no reason to be on his side.

"Tools are constantly changing, but there are some things that don't change."

Qing Zhiyuan said with a smile, "For example, the light we just discussed, and what we want to express. ”

"Look at me," Qing Zhiyuan demonstrated.

He first put a cigarette in his mouth, and without lighting it, he put it between his lips and held it gently, like Hayao Miyazaki now.

Hayao Miyazaki laughed.

"What does that mean?"

"Guess what kind of personality I am?" Qing Zhiyuan asked.

"I guess you're playing me." Hayao Miyazaki laughed.

"Almost, at least a delicate, nimble guy."

After Qing Zhiyuan finished speaking, he put the cigarette on his back molars and bit it hard.

"And now?"

Qing Zhiyuan asked with a grin.

Hayao Miyazaki smiled very happily, but Qing Zhiyuan was very serious and worked hard to perform.

He looked at it carefully and pondered, "I guess it's a grumpy guy." ”

"Yes, ruthless." Qing Zhiyuan said, "It's probably an extreme big brother, the kind that is particularly violent." I took off my clothes again, and it was more like carrying a baseball bat. ”

The two of them laughed and were very happy.

"And this."

Qing Zhiyuan remembered something again, then stood up and ran to the stairs leading to the second floor outside.

Hayao Miyazaki also came out, wanting to see what he was going to do.

Qing Zhiyuan first climbed the stairs, and then walked down leisurely.

"What kind of personality am I?"

"I can't see it." Miyazaki shook his head, "The performance is too rough." ”

"So what?"

Qing Zhiyuan Deng Deng Deng stepped several steps in a row, and walked down from the top almost in a running way.

"I'm in a hurry, at least in a hurry."

"What else?" Qing Zhiyuan asked.

"The fiery personality should be quite young, but the old man can't do this." Hayao Miyazaki said with a smile.

But he also imagined in his mind what kind of impact an old man would bring to the audience when he went down the stairs like this.

At least a stubborn old lady who doesn't admit defeat, right?

Hearing the movement outside, Toshio Suzuki walked out with some curiosity to see what the hell these two people were doing.

He stood at the top of the stairs and looked at the two people below and couldn't help but laugh.

Why is it that chatting about the sky has become a sport?

Qing Zhiyuan climbed the stairs and then demonstrated what it looked like to go up and down the stairs.

And when you look at the past from different angles, the changes that have taken shape are also different.

"Look, aren't these constant?" Qing Zhiyuan went down the stairs and stood in front of Hayao Miyazaki and said.

"Whether it's 2D animation or 3D animation, the most important thing is what we want to interpret the object, what kind of character they have, and what kind of soul they have.

It's not superficial. ”

"Well, good character explanation." Toshio Suzuki laughed on the stairs.

"Ah, Mr. Suzuki, so you're here." Qing Zhiyuan said with a smile.

"Well, seeing you having so much fun, I was immediately curious." Toshio Suzuki said, "I was very inspired. ”

"Then you will come down and sit with us for a while?" Qing Zhiyuan invited.

Ay.

Toshio Suzuki sighed, since he took the initiative to show up, then there was no way to turn a blind eye.

He had to walk down the stairs and stand with two men.

didn't go back to the conference room, the three of them just stood there and discussed.

"Hmm......" Miyazaki thought as he folded his hands, "So, whether it's a game or an animation, it's all a carrier, and some things don't change, what we want is to dig out those things that don't change?" ”

"It's also possible to dig up things that change."

Qing Zhiyuan smiled, "However, these have nothing to do with 2D, 3D, hand-drawn or computer-drawn, they are just a tool we use to express themselves."

The key is whether it is suitable or not, whether it is good or not.

If you feel that hand-drawing is the most suitable and convenient, then hand-drawn is ready.

We think that with the development of computers and the advancement of technology, there are more tools at our disposal to express ourselves, and those are better for us. ”

Toshio Suzuki nodded, smiled without saying a word, and silently looked at Miyazaki next to him.

The latter clasped his hands and fell into deep contemplation.

"Quite an interesting point." Hayao Miyazaki said, "I've learned a lot, Jiyuan-kun, thank you so much." ”

"No, no," Ching Chi-won smiled, "these are all taught to me by Miyazaki-senpai." ”

"Huh?" Miyazaki was a little puzzled, "How did I teach you?" ”

"You told me with an animation."

Qing Zhiyuan said with a smile.

"Didn't you say it before, animation and games are used as carriers of expression, they are the embodiment of ideas, animation should be wide at the entrance, so that more people can understand, you can easily come in, and enjoy the scenery.

However, the exit must be high, it must have depth and height, and it must be able to express the author's thoughts and ideals.

That's what you taught me. ”

"Ah...... Is that so? ”

Miyazaki was stunned for a moment, then scratched his head embarrassedly and laughed.

It seems that these words are really what I once said.

"Good tools are used to free our hands and give us more time and energy to think and do what we want to do.

For example, in the future, artificial intelligence and game technology will be able to develop enough to realize that the characters you mentioned earlier will become real and act according to their own will.

Then we are actually playing more of a role as God.

Create worlds and create a wonderful place for these characters.

We can focus on thinking about the universe, thinking about the changes in human beings, and thinking about more and more difficult propositions.

And games, animations, will become tools for our expression.

That's all. ”

Ah~ Hayao Miyazaki pursed his lips, wanting to say something, but he couldn't say it.

I was deeply shocked in my heart.

Qing Zhiyuan, this kid is really smart.

Although he said that he was agreeing with himself, he euphemistically expounded Wu Lang's thoughts with actions.

At this moment, Miyazaki's deep-rooted concept of hand-painting seems to have been shaken a little.

"If the tools really keep improving and can do better than what we do now, I'm actually willing to try."

……

The three of them returned to the conference room, and Toshio Suzuki poured them a cup of tea each.

It's so happy to have a chat and a cup of tea in an afternoon like this.

At this moment, several people do not seem to have a [business partner] relationship, and after abandoning their social identity, they are more like a group of old friends, good friends sitting together and enjoying a leisurely time.

At the same time, they are talking about topics that interest them.

For example, animation, for example, games, for example, the connection between the two.

Another example is the tools they make, and what kind of changes will happen to animation in the future.

"According to my understanding, there will definitely be a 3D animation market in the future." "Actually, this has already happened. ”

"Huh?" Miyazaki looked at him with some confusion.

"Didn't Pixar make a 3D cartoon called Toy Story last year?"

Qing Zhiyuan said, "This is an animated feature film produced by a computer, which is not the same as the cartoon in our traditional impression, but it is actually more realistic style." ”

The film broke the record for an animated film with $192 million, became the 1995 U.S. box office winner, set a global box office record of $360 million, and won director John Lasseter an Academy Award for Special Achievement.

The film's huge success also contributed to the fact that Pixar's boss, Steve Jobs, was brought back by the collapse of Apple because he was worth $1 billion at this time, and begged the veteran to reorganize the country.

At the mention of "Toy Story", Miyazaki immediately recalled.

"Well, I've seen this, and the performance is actually quite shocking."

Miyazaki took a deep breath and said, "But I didn't figure out how to combine it with our animation style. ”

"There's no need." Qing Zhiyuan smiled, "The tool depends on whether it is suitable or not, so don't you take advantage of it." ”

"Well, that's right."

"However, computer graphics can actually do a great job in 2D."

Qing Zhiyuan said, "In fact, the "Your Name" we produced, as well as the later CL and LL, are basically computer-drawn. ”

At this point, Miyazaki stopped talking.

A pair of eyes sparkling.

CL and LL, he has been involved, but it is more in the formulation of the game art style, character design, after doing this, he did not interfere in the game content.

I didn't expect that in addition to the content he gave, Pokeni later made a lot of things himself.

I can't tell what kind of feeling it was, but Miyazaki was shocked inside.

……

Several people were silent for a while, each drinking tea.

Qing Zhiyuan remembered something, and asked:

"By the way, Miyazaki-senpai, now that "Princess Mononoke" is finished, do you have any plans for the next anime?"

"I don't have it yet." Hayao Miyazaki scratched his head and said, "But Mr. Takahata's side has an anime in the works that will be released next year." ”

In Studio Ghibli, there are probably two very powerful directors.

One of them is Hayao Miyazaki.

And the other is Isao Takahata.

Master Takahata is very good at telling ordinary stories in real life.

Seeing warmth in the ordinary, healing people's hearts, and at the same time transmitting strength through the fate of small people.

This is actually a very difficult task.

However, if such a thing is made, people who like it will like it very much, and you can get great forward momentum from the simple and ordinary life and the little people, and at the same time, you will also be moved by this simple and ordinary thing, the relationship between people, and people.

However, this is a cup of boiled water, or a cup of tea, which needs to be precipitated by years before you can savor it.

The problem is that, for most people, it's probably a little bland.

It can't be a commodity.

In other words, even if it becomes a commodity, it is difficult for the world to understand.

This is Qing Zhiyuan's own opinion.

Good is good, people who can appreciate it need to have a precipitated heart, so it may not be suitable for adaptation into a game.

The anime that Mr. Takahata is currently working on is called "My Neighbor Yamada-kun"

It tells the story of the Yamada family.

This traditional Japanese family has an ordinary life: Mr. Yamada is an ordinary company employee who has the dignity of a parent on the surface but is saddened by trivial things;

Mrs. Yamada is a housewife with a strong Kansai accent;

Son Ah Sheng is a middle school student who has just entered puberty, and his daughter Nonoko is an innocent kindergarten child, and the children's grandmother-

Old but often cool looks, always to the point when he speaks.

Such a family, under the sun and the moon, grab a lot of money, there is family affection, middle-aged love, there are stumbling and rapping, quarreling and sadness, and reconciliation and happiness, the autumn is bright but always passing, the home is still the warmest, and the children are growing up.

In fact, it is a very ordinary and warm work, and it is also the consistent style of Mr. Takahata Xun, but ......

This anime doesn't seem to be very easy to adapt into a game.

"Hmm...... We'll talk about that then. Qing Zhiyuan euphemistically expressed that it was not suitable.

He is more looking forward to Miyazaki's next work, "Spirited Away"

But since he doesn't have any more ideas at the moment, let's leave it at that.

lest you talk too much and interfere with this guy.

……

Takahata's work can't be adapted into a game, but Seoha has a bolder idea.

"Miyazaki-senpai, I have an idea." Qing Zhiyuan said.

"Huh?"

Toshio Suzuki moved around for a moment, leaning more towards Aojiyuan, expressing a strong interest in what he wanted to say later.

"I want Totoro to join Pokémon."

"Huh?!

My Neighbor Totoro joins Pokémon? Hayao Miyazaki and Toshio Suzuki looked confused.

"Pokémon is a game to capture elves, and I wanted to collaborate with Ghibli to make the cute magical animals featured in the Totoro cartoon appear in the Pokémon game.

In this way, the audience and players will be very happy. ”

Qing Zhiyuan just thought about it, wow, can you catch Totoro in Pokémon?!

What a magical and happy thing it is.

My Neighbor Totoro is Ghibli's mascot, and even Studio Ghibli's logo is based on Totoro's avatar.

At that time, it will definitely be the ecstasy of the double chefs, and it will be a sensation all over the world.

Qing Zhiyuan explained for a long time, and the two old men almost understood.

The proposal is quite interesting, for both parties, it is more in-depth cooperation and can make money together.

"How do you calculate the division of the periphery?" Toshio Suzuki asked with a frown.

"Let's see which channel sells the money." Qing Zhiyuan said,

"What you sell through the channels you work with Ghibli will definitely be fulfilled according to the contract you signed with them.

If you go through our channel, then the peripherals that are sold out will be shared by P Company and Ghibli. ”

Animated film companies, in fact, are still different from other film and television industries, it does not rely solely on box office revenue to make money.

In fact, the real money is mainly made in the peripherals and CDs.

Take Totoro as an example, Ghibli's Totoro peripherals generate nearly 10 billion yen in additional revenue for the studio every year.

If it can be driven well, the sales of peripheral products will be better in the future.

Although Miyazaki always felt that Disney's animation lacked depth, Ghibli himself wanted to be a second Disney.

Hayao Miyazaki can treat money like dung and concentrate on making the animation he wants to make.

But Toshio Suzuki wants to manage money, support the studio members, and generate income, so he is very practical.

In fact, there is no need to be specific to the sales piece, and the sales volume can be calculated when selling wholesale to dealers.

Unless Pokeni wants to engage in direct sales in the future, such as opening an online mall or something, then you need to mark the details of each list.

……

Qing Zhiyuan's proposal is actually a good thing for both P and Ghibli.

"Well, I think so." Toshio Suzuki said.

The two sides quickly reached a preliminary agreement, but the specific details of the follow-up will have to be formally agreed upon at a formal meeting.

However, Qing Zhiyuan was very happy to get the promise of Toshio Suzuki and Hayao Miyazaki.

When he left Ghibli, Qing Zhiyuan walked floating.

……

At dinner time in the evening.

Hearing Qing Zhiyuan talk about Miyazaki's father and son, Tsuda Nao Le blossomed.

"Hey, it's really an interesting father and son, why do I always think that if you go to Studio Ghibli, you will be happy?"

"Haha," Qing Zhiyuan said with a smile, "I'm happy now, too." I don't want to go to Studio Ghibli, they quarrel twice for three days, who can persuade this?

It's been a long time, and I can't stand it. ”

Qing Zhiyuan frowned, and a meaningful smile appeared on the corner of his mouth, "Now that I think about it, I really admire Mr. Suzuki, in addition to the daily management of the company, I also have to deal with various interpersonal relationships."

It's not easy. ”

Nao Tsuda blinked as she ate.

I don't know what I'm thinking.

Qing Zhiyuan only thinks she is very cute.

Two seconds passed.

"Zhiyuan-kun." Nao Tsuda said.

"Huh?" Qing Zhiyuan raised his head and looked at her suspiciously.

"Thank you."

"Huh?"

"Thank you for being a gentle and patient person." Nao Tsuda said with a smile.

"Why are you saying this all of a sudden?"

"Mmmm, it's nothing, it's just a sudden feeling."

"So, the lovely, smart, and beautiful Miss Tsuda," Ching Chi-won said with a smile, "let's make a smarter, more cute, gentle, and patient child, shall we?" ”

"Poof...... Don't. ”

"Just ask!"

"Daylight ...... I haven't even finished eating. ”

"What are you afraid of, I want to take a good look at Nao-chan's body."

"Perverted!"

……

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There is another chapter in the afternoon

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