Chapter 324:-for-tat, everyone is dumbfounded

With Old Man Lin sitting here, the discipline in the training class is surprisingly good.

No one spoke, no one communicated, all sat honestly in their seats.

Lin Qingyuan, as the vice dean, naturally did not preside over the course, he was just more conscientious and came to the debate site in advance to wait.

The host is still the instructor Yang Fengrui.

The debating academy is also more serious, and several of the instructors have also taken notes on the spot, which can be seen that they attach great importance to it.

Yang Fengrui glanced around the students, saw that everyone was ready, and said loudly: "Comrades, wait a minute, we are about to start the debate."

"I have already explained in detail in the class the main points on various aspects of operational command and military management."

"Everyone has also given different answers to the manuscript of the topic, and I am here alone, and I don't know how much you have heard."

"So, this afternoon, let's combine the academic theory of the first stage and the grassroots practice of the second stage to have a debate."

"The main core of the debate, which I have already mentioned in the morning, is whether the command environment, command means, and command information are the elements of command."

"Comrade Chen Ming has given a comprehensive explanation in this regard, and his view is that these three aspects are all factors that affect the core of command."

"Comrade Ding Yuan and Comrade Zhao Shenghu pointed out different opinions in the manuscript of the topic, and comprehensively analyzed the marginalization of the influence on the command elements according to the command environment, command means, and command information."

"The two contradictory views have always been controversial in the academic aspect, including the current National Defense University, and all the academic experts of the secondary colleges, who are also controversial in this regard."

"Soldiers talk about operations, officers talk about command, and today we don't ask you to come up with a result in a debate, but you must debate this viewpoint deeply into the hearts of the people."

"Let all the trainees on the scene clearly understand which aspects of the combat command will be interfered with."

"Okay, all stand up, and those who agree with Comrade Chen Ming's point of view, that is, the comrades assigned to Group B in the morning, please sit in the left row of seats in the classroom."

The debate is about to begin.

Chen Ming's manuscript is the main point of view, and of course he has to set a partial example, get up in advance, and come from the middle of the classroom to the left.

The other seven also quickly got up and followed.

Whether it is a real battle or a verbal battle, this momentum cannot be lost, although they only have a few people.

Chen Ming's face did not change any expression, he was not intimidated at all, and looked at the more than forty people on the right, his eyes calm.

Wait for it to start.

Dozens of people on the opposite side also quickly changed positions, and in the middle was where the guide was responsible for recording sitting.

Chen Ming knew that there were many people in Group A, not necessarily because they were thinking the same, and most of them were very vague about their own opinions, thinking that they were reasonable, but they were not enough to have the ability to debate.

There is also a part of it that is purely herd mentality, he is a major, and his views can be more profound than that of a colonel who has been immersed in the army for decades?

Therefore, many people subconsciously think that the higher the position, the more experienced the person.

It is impossible to go wrong in this regard.

Of course, there are still some people who agree with them.

A manuscript is at most a few pages, and it is difficult to explain everyone's point of view, nor can it unearth all of a person's thoughts.

The purpose of the debate is to enable more people to unify their foundation and learn more viewpoints on all-round aspects of operational command and military training.

Level the level between each other and start the third stage.

Seeing that both sides had already arrived at their positions, instructor Yang Fengrui nodded with a smile, obviously he had expected this situation.

It doesn't matter if there are many people or a small number of people, as long as they can truly express their views and make detailed analysis, this trip to the National Defense University for further study will not be in vain.

The purpose of the debate has been achieved.

"All right, all the leading comrades, please sit down."

"Now the debate begins, and the comrade instructor is responsible for taking notes."

"Comrade Chen Ming's manuscript on the topic is relatively comprehensive, and first of all, I will explain why the command environment, command means, and command information should be included in the command elements."

As the debate began, the officers on the scene were a little nervous, and they couldn't help relaxing.

In the direction of the podium, under the large multimedia screen, there was a black face staring at them.

Vice President Lin Qingyuan was impressed by Chen Ming, everyone can see this, and now let Chen Ming mention it first, can you not be nervous.

This kid has a lot of theoretical knowledge, they can see it, and he is in a group, and he has a contrary point of view and can't play it.

Let's do it with him, and I don't have much confidence, who knows if this kid will be like an old monk chanting scriptures, chanting the book of heaven that no one can understand for a long time?

A lesson from the past, we have to guard against it.

When everyone's eyes were on Chen Ming, he got up, and the timing was quite accurate.

stood up and saluted all the officers on the scene, doing enough etiquette for juniors.

"Hello comrades, before I explain my point of view, I would like to introduce myself."

"I have spent time in the artillery brigade of the 71st Group Army in the Eastern Theater, in the 5th Composite Battalion of the 169th Synthetic Brigade, which later became the Tiger Wolf Battalion, in the Dragon's Tooth of the 73rd Army, and in the Frontier Regiment of the Fourth Army Division of the Southern Xinjiang Frontier."

"I have also stayed in the Logistics Engineer Maintenance Department of the Tibetan Military Region, so my views are more integrated, and I will be more inclined to synthesize, because this is the unit I have really led."

"I'm done with my introduction, and now I'm going to give my opinion."

"First of all, I believe that in scientifically dividing the elements of operational command, it is necessary to adhere to certain standards and principles, and in studying the division of the elements of operational command, it is all the more necessary to determine the criteria and principles for the division of the elements."

"Objectively speaking, all the necessary elements that constitute a thing can be called the elements of that thing."

"Operational command, like anything else in the world, is a complete dynamic system composed of many elements, and according to the requirements of system theory and general logic, the elements of operational command must meet the following points."

"First, they constitute a necessary component of operational command, and the so-called necessary element means that these factors and conditions play a decisive role in the occurrence and development of operational command, and are an indispensable part."

"Second, they are also the essential components that constitute the process of operational command, and these factors and conditions are inherent components of operational command itself, and they play a decisive role in the nature and intrinsic nature of operational command."

"If you don't consider the environment in which you command, where you command, and what you use to command, then the restrictions on a unit will be very great."

"When we decompose molecules, we usually think of atoms as the building blocks of molecules, rather than dividing them into protons and neutrons as the building blocks of molecules."

"These are supposed to be separate and at the same level, and they should not be separated from each other."

"Including in commanding operations, the environment of command, the means of command, and the tools of command are originally part of commanding operations."

"Why do you have to throw it out? Forcibly divide this part into the part that is not important at all? ”

"So I think that the command environment is whether it is the internal environment or the external environment, and the command tools are the tools and equipment used in the command, or all kinds of reconnaissance tools, command automation systems, and so on."

"All these are factors that affect operational command, and a small detail can determine the victory or defeat of a war, not to mention the command environment, command tools, and command means."

"It's an inseparable part."

"That's all I have to say, thank you."

Chen Ming finished his point of view cleanly, and sat in the position with a "snap", causing several people in Group B to hold their heads high, like cockfighting, and look at each other defiantly.

Instructor Yang Fengrui blinked, and looked at Group A with some sympathy, he understood very well that Chen Ming was prepared.

But he's the referee now, and whoever wins or loses doesn't have to react now.

Instead, they raised their hands to the right and made an inviting gesture to the right, meaning that it was time for them to get up and make a point.

Seeing that the instructor made this gesture, he did not correct or remind Chen Ming of any words.

Some of the officers in Group A were collectively stunned, staring at each other with big eyes and small eyes, and they were all silent.

Nima, how can an academic question be so easy to refute?

If you talk about which battles I have fought, how to arrange reconnaissance, how to arrange firepower, how to arrange logistics, how to rush to help, so to speak.

Then they can slap the table and fight, and no one wants to admit defeat.

But what kind of atoms and molecules are you up, making it look like an old professor speaking, hairy?

Even some officers didn't understand what Chen Ming was saying, how could this be refuted?

The atmosphere was at an impasse for a while.

Chen Ming's old neighbor Xie Canxiong regretted that, fuck, you must know that Chen Ming is so tough, he will go to Group B, sit there without speaking, and put on a winner's posture, who wouldn't?

It's better than their forty-odds, sitting in a daze.

He originally thought that there were few people on Chen Ming's side, and everyone had to speak actively, in case he didn't know anything in the past and couldn't say a word, it would definitely drag him back.

Who would have thought that it turned out to be the opposite.

Chen Ming calmed the field alone, and he didn't need the rest of Group B at all.

Nima, this wave of blood loss.

But soon, someone in Group A reacted, and Lao Jiang was still spicy.

Zhao Shenghu, a fat colonel who was famous in the training class earlier, chatted with a few people next to him, and got up very confidently.

also learned from Chen Ming's example, saluted all the people present, and then said: "I admit that a small detail can determine the victory or defeat of a war, and I can't refute this view." ”

"However, modern warfare is about intelligence, we do not lack firepower, we do not lack mobility, as long as there is enough intelligence, everything else can be classified as an ordinary category, not a command element."

"Not to mention the command environment, command tools, and command means, which are the core elements of operational command, and I completely disagree with this."

"First of all, the command environment is not something that the commander can choose, where the battle is fought, the troops will be pulled to, and the command environment is full of too many uncertainties."

"If this is the core issue, then hasn't the command of the guerrilla warfare we fought in the past always lacked the core?"

"At least some of it will be missing, right?"

"As for the command tools, whether it is through the modern terminal visualization system to give orders, or through the most stupid way, level by level to convey, and even in ancient times, there were eight hundred miles of urgency."

"These are the degrees to which the war is fought on the battlefield and the command tools are used."

"The core means that without these things, the command will not be formed, and it is impossible to say that a battle loses these, so it will not be commanded, right?"

"The remaining question of the means of command, in other words, is the way of command."

"This point is also based on the extent to which the war is fought, and reasonable responses should be made."

"As the saying goes, don't fight unprepared battles, but when it comes to the battlefield, as long as the first shot is fired, the soldiers of the whole army will rush forward, and at this time, any command tools, command environment, and command means must all stand aside."

"If these are part of the elements of operational command, I admit that they are a whole in themselves."

"But if you want to say that these three aspects are the core of the elements that affect the command, then I dare not agree."

"Again, war is ever-changing, and for a commander, thinking too much about the core elements of the command will delay the fighter."

"That's all I have to say, thank you."

Zhao Shenghu's rebuttal can be said to be just right, and in the blink of an eye, a group of officers in Group A breathed a long sigh of relief.

Fortunately, I was not stumped by Group B, and the back and forth between the two groups also aroused the enthusiasm of many officers, and they were eager to try, and they all wanted to perform.

And after Chen Ming listened to Zhao Shenghu's explanation, the corners of his mouth hooked up a smile.

After lunch, he didn't take a lunch break, he came over in advance to study the two manuscripts, and he had already pondered the other party's thoughts.

I also expected that they would refute themselves with this view.

That's right, the situation of the war is changing rapidly, which Chen Ming certainly admits, and there is nothing to say.

But one thing should not be forgotten: if the war is adjusted accordingly according to the situation of the war, this is only theoretically true.

In reality, there is an essential difference between exercises and actual combat.

Especially when modern warfare breaks out suddenly, who will give you the opportunity to make adjustments?

If a battle reaches the point where the commander needs to make temporary adjustments, then the battle is equivalent to losing.

The most obvious of the ever-changing words is the word instantaneous.

In the information age, the digital battlefield can decide the outcome of a war in one minute, and at that time, how can we make adjustments according to the situation on the battlefield?

The enemy will not give him this chance.

Even if you are given this opportunity, how can you make the most effective adjustment in the shortest possible time?

Fierce wars, or the outbreak of actual combat, are often rushed to the battle, and if it all depends on the battlefield situation, it is to be led by the nose.

The other party has already refuted, and Chen Ming does not hesitate to respond without other members of Group B.

Chen Ming stood up directly and confronted each other.

"I personally oppose the point of view put forward by Chief Zhao Shenghu just now."

"First of all, for a commander, it is impossible to think too much about the core elements of the command, which cannot be considered after rushing to the battlefield."

"Rather, before the full-scale outbreak of war, all factors must be taken into account, and the overall planning of the war command before the war itself is considered from all sides."

"It is impossible to put aside any issues that affect the core aspects of operational command, all operational deployments, operational areas, operational environments, operational terrain, regardless of whether the definition of war is aggression or defense."

"These must be fully deployed before the troops set off, and only in this way can we ensure that after arriving on the battlefield, all combat units can quickly enter a combat state."

"If the fighter plane is delayed because of too much consideration, then I can only say that the pre-war preparations are insufficient, and if the combat deployment is carried out in advance, the location of the command post and the channels used to transmit information cannot be bypassed."

"Without the corresponding command information and command tools, it will be difficult for a commander to exercise command over the command object, and it will be difficult for the operational command to continue."

"And according to the principle of independence of the divided elements, the elements should not contain each other, intersect, and the operational arrangements that have been deployed in advance, taking this aspect into account, then this aspect cannot be directly eliminated during the battle, right?"

"The method of pre-war deployment belongs to the organic combination of the command's subjective initiative and the command's technical equipment, as well as the product of interaction."

"It is more reflected in the subjective initiative of the commander, and it is the human factor that is the command tool, and all the factors have been taken into account when carrying out various operational plans."

"That's why we made a detailed and meticulous plan."

"It's just that after arriving on the battlefield, we don't think about the command environment, command tools, and command means."

"Because of these, we have fully planned for it."

"If it's time to make these plans on the battlefield, then this battle won't have to be fought."

"I don't agree with the idea of taking what has been planned and throwing away some of the factors."

The more Chen Ming spoke, the sharper his words became, and in the end, he shouted even louder: "Operational command, the commander's operational preparations for the subordinate troops, and the implementation of the operational planning and scheduling activities carried out by the commander, these activities are not created out of thin air, right?" ”

"There needs to be some space and time to support."

"Then while this time and space support, the third condition cannot be bypassed."

"In that case, why do we bypass these three conditions when we talk about the core factors affecting operational command on the battlefield?"

"That's all I have to say, thank you."

Chen Ming's rebuttal also brought the debate to a climax, and Colonel Ding Yuan of Group A did not wait for the instructor's signal, and directly got up to confront Chen Ming.

"What you just said is pre-war preparations, which are not unique to the inside when you arrive on the battlefield, but external things."

"It is the external condition for the occurrence of objective things that have been prepared in advance, and it is the operational command activity."

"We cannot regard this external thing as an essential component of the internal part of the operational command, and although the environmental content will only have a restraining and influencing effect on the operation."

"It affects the commander's choice of combat objectives, the use of troops, and the use of tactics."

"These are the basis and indispensable conditions for commanders to make operational decisions, plan and organize, and coordinate and control activities."

"However, a commander commands the soldiers to fight, and I think the environment of the battlefield and the environment of the command do not have much impact on the commander."

"It can even be said that it can not be considered, because the responsibility of the commander is to coordinate the overall situation, not to charge into battle, and environmental content can only play its due role if it is controlled by the commander in the form of information."

"Therefore, I think that it is barely possible to use environmental factors as a manifestation of results, but it is absolutely not a command element in itself."

"Terrain and environment can be used as elements of warfare, but that doesn't mean they can be elements of command."

"So I won't change my point of view, there are only three elements of operation, the commander, the commanded and the medium in the middle of the command."

"None of the other factors can be the core factors affecting operational command, and my point of view is over, thank you."

Chen Ming did not sit down after expounding his views just now, and neither did Colonel Ding Yuan.

The two men clearly stood up for their own opinions.

But the other officers were a little dumbfounded.

I feel that when Chen Ming speaks, then Chen Ming is right, and when Ding Yuan speaks, that is Ding Yuan is right.

For a while, many people don't know how to judge, let alone how to refute.

The atmosphere in the classroom immediately became tense.

(End of chapter)