Chapter 597: It's Outrageous! Mr. Cao, are you sure these things are real?
There is big news every day.
This should be the most favorite and most hated thing for media people.
Needless to say, if you like it, if there is big news, all kinds of related articles are casually watered, and the number of views is also very high.
It can also give you a record high at every turn.
As for the annoyance, that's actually quite understandable.
Anyone who is called by the leader in the middle of the night and asks to get up immediately to catch up with the manuscript will definitely feel very annoyed.
Even sometimes even when I am doing things, I think about how to make use of today's hot news.
Xie Min of Zhongguancun Online has fully felt what he likes and hates the most during this time.
The domestic semiconductor industry and the mobile phone industry are constantly making various big moves.
Behind these big moves is a series of news reports.
So she was so busy that she gained a few pounds.
"Editor-in-chief, I think we could consider adding a channel to the front page of the website dedicated to chip-related matters."
"I think chips should be of great interest to both the national and industrial levels, as well as some readers who have studied in college."
"Especially with chips becoming the largest imported product in China, this topic is more likely to attract everyone's attention."
"We can also use this channel to better deal with some well-known experts and scholars in China, so that our website appears more authoritative."
Xie Min is also thinking about how to further improve his position in the company.
Set up a new channel for a project that you have been tracking, and the person in charge of this channel must have her own part.
Although the titular boss is not necessarily himself, his status in this channel is definitely not low.
It is beneficial to both public and private affairs, and Xie Min is naturally very positive.
"The importance of the chip industry has been slowly realized by everyone, and I heard that the number of students enrolled in microelectronics-related majors in various colleges and universities is increasing."
"And people majoring in microelectronics, if they enter a chip company after graduation, the annual salary will start at 100,000 yuan, which is much stronger than most majors."
"It's just that this road has to be taken well, I'm afraid it's not that easy."
Wu Xuebin deals with IT products every day, and he is no stranger to the situation of chips.
None of the world's major chip manufacturers is Huaxia.
Intel and AMD don't talk about it, basically everyone knows that it's the United States.
Other companies such as Infineon, NXP, Renesas, Texas Instruments, STMicroelectronics, ON Semiconductor, ROHM, and Micron are also Chinese.
In this situation, if you want to develop the chip industry in China, it is not ordinary.
Not to mention that competitors will not easily give you the opportunity to develop, and will use all kinds of means to deal with you.
It is very difficult for domestic manufacturers who use chips to accept domestic chips.
For example, people have always used Infineon's chips in the past, and now they are going to other companies to promote domestic chips.
Not to mention that the performance of the chip has no advantage, even the price may not be cheaper than what others import.
Unless you're willing to sell at a loss.
In addition, the stability of your quality is also full of uncertainty.
After all, your product hasn't been proven by time.
Besides, people will also worry about whether they will mind when their products are sold to downstream after using domestic chips.
Under the consideration of layers of factors, it is even more difficult for domestic chips to develop in China.
This is no longer a simple technical or financial issue, but a problem involving all aspects.
It is even related to some cognitions of the whole society.
"Easy is certainly not so easy, but SMIC, which is supported by the national team, and Nanshan Semiconductor, which is supported by the largest private enterprise, have both produced chips, and I think the future is still very worth looking forward to."
"Especially Nanshan Semiconductor, their business includes chip design, wafer production and chip processing, packaging and testing, this development model of the whole industry chain, ordinary enterprises dare not engage in it."
"Even giants like Qualcomm, as well as large companies like Apple, are only responsible for designing their own chips, and then find manufacturers such as TSMC or Samsung to OEM production."
"The most critical thing is Nanshan Semiconductor's chips, the main ones are automotive-grade chips and smartphone chips, both of which can be handed over to Nanshan Auto Parts and Honor mobile phones for installation and use."
"It is equivalent to Nanshan Semiconductor, which basically does not need to worry about the chips it produces will be unused, and the production capacity will be vacant."
"Further, their deep-seated advantage is that Nanshan auto parts and Honor mobile phones are very competitive in their own segments."
"In addition, these manufacturers have mastered the core technology, and they can independently check and analyze the installed components."
"In this case, there is no need to worry about what problems will occur with your products after using domestic chips, or cause customers to be reluctant to buy."
"If you take into account the strong turnover and operating profit of Nanshan Group, then it is not so easy for Nanshan Semiconductor to fail."
As soon as Xie Min said this, Wu Xuebin couldn't help but nodded.
Indeed, this is the truth.
The advantages of Nanshan Group are not possible to be replicated by other enterprises.
It is also something that other companies have no way to surpass.
Thinking of this, Wu Xuebin somewhat understands why Nanshan Semiconductor dares to invest in 4 wafer factories in one go, behind this crazy action, it is actually a high degree of self-confidence!
This is definitely a good thing for the domestic chip industry.
The development of the domestic chip industry will naturally have a demand for related equipment.
Today, Cao Yang met with a visiting supplier at Nanshan Group.
"Mr. Cao, since its establishment, Modu Microelectronics Equipment has always attached importance to the technological innovation of products and the intellectual property protection of innovative solutions, and respected intellectual property rights and all creative achievements that promote the technological progress of products in this field."
"We always adhere to the quality policy of 'high quality, high technology, high quality and high efficiency'."
"The company has passed ISO27001 information security, ISO9001 quality management and ISO14001 environmental management system certification, as well as SEMI product certification, CMMI level 3 certification and CE product certification."
"On this basis, SMEE has established a complete quality management system with full participation, covering the whole product life cycle from quality design to quality realization and quality improvement."
"We strive to use advanced and reliable technology to continue to provide customers with high-quality products and services."
"Let me give you a detailed introduction to the achievements of Modu Microelectronics in recent years."
"In April 2006, the registered trademark of our lithography machine products was approved by the Industrial and Commercial Bureau."
"In November 2008, the major scientific and technological projects of the 15th Five-Year Lithography Machine independently developed by us passed the acceptance organized by the Ministry of Science and Technology."
"In December 2009, the first advanced packaging lithography machine SSB500/10A was delivered to users."
"Although our products dare not say that they surpass all international counterparts, we are absolutely first-class in China, and our products are also at the mainstream level in the world."
"It's like our lithography machine, it's no problem to produce 95-nanometer chips, and it's okay to produce 65-nanometer chips."
"In the future, we will develop products that can produce 40 nanometers or even more high-tech ......"
As the general manager of Modu Microelectronic Equipment, He Guangming personally brought Chief Engineer Du Xinqiang and others to Cao Yang today to discuss business cooperation directly.
Of course, before that, they also had some contact with Nanshan Semiconductor.
However, he already knew that part of Nanshan Semiconductor's equipment would be purchased from ASML and other manufacturers, and part of it would be purchased from Nanshan Equipment, so Zhang Jing naturally would not give He Guangming any letter.
This made He Guangming think that Zhang Jing had an opinion about himself.
So through the relationship, I directly made an appointment with Cao Yang to meet him.
One of the shareholders of Modu Microelectronics is Modu, and the factory that Nanshan Semiconductor is now mass-producing and the newly built 12-inch wafer factory are all in Modu.
Jaguar Land Rover, a subsidiary of Nanshan Group, also regards Modu as its Asia-Pacific headquarters, where R&D centers and production plants are located.
In this case, there must be someone on the side of the Demon Capital who has a connection with Cao Yang.
As the core manufacturer of semiconductor production equipment, Modu still hopes that Modu Microelectronics can make some breakthroughs in Nanshan Semiconductor.
No matter how good a device is, if no one uses it, then no matter how good it is, it doesn't make sense.
Similarly, if the equipment industry wants to continuously improve its competitiveness and continuously improve its technical level, it is also very important that the equipment produced is used.
Otherwise, you won't have the funds to continue upgrading.
No one is putting your device into the app, and it's hard to spot some of the flaws.
It is very difficult to upgrade the equipment behind closed doors.
He Guangming naturally understands these truths.
That's why I cherish this opportunity to visit.
"Mr. He, the technical strength of Modu Microelectronics is very good, but if it is to buy a lithography machine, we have already made arrangements."
Cao Yang will definitely not change his plan because of the visit of He Guangming, who met for the first time.
Nanshan Group has invested a lot of money in Nanshan equipment.
Even a semiconductor division has been set up in Nanshan Equipment, in this case, Nanshan Semiconductor will definitely use Nanshan Equipment's products in the future.
"Mr. Cao, I admit that ASML's lithography machine is much more advanced than ours, especially their DUV lithography machine, which is the best in the world, and even they have just announced that they have completed the first EUV lithography machine prototype, and they are currently the only ones in the world who can produce it, and it is expected that it will be officially launched into the market in a few years."
"I also know that a chip processing plant built by Nanshan Semiconductor now uses ASML's lithography machine."
"But at that time, it was a time when the financial crisis had just broken out, and everyone was very unconfident about the future."
"So many chip companies have canceled their equipment orders, and they don't even want a deposit for this."
"In this case, ASML is naturally willing to sell the most advanced lithography machine to Huaxia enterprises, otherwise it will be smashed in its own hands."
"But now the economy has slowly begun to emerge from the impact of the financial crisis, and ASML's lithography machines have once again returned to a situation where supply exceeds demand."
"It's basically impossible for companies in Huaxia to get their most advanced lithography machines."
"Even if someone accepts your order now, it will definitely have to wait until two or three years before it is delivered."
"At that time, the lithography machine you ordered may not have been the most advanced product."
"Other chip manufacturers are using ASML's more advanced equipment to produce chips."
"If Nanshan Semiconductor wants to catch up with the technical level of other chip companies, it basically has no chance."
He Guangming is not afraid that what he says will not be heard.
After all, compared to losing orders, a few unpleasant words are spoken.
It's a big deal to apologize for the wine in the future.
He has also encountered countless experiences of hitting a wall in sales equipment.
Even in front of some foreign customers, he heard a lot of more ugly words.
It is also very responsible for the CEO of a state-owned enterprise to be able to personally pull business for the sake of business development.
"Mr. He, I completely agree with your point of view!"
When Cao Yang said this, He Guangming was a little confused.
Should this be heard normally or the other way around?
Why can't I figure it out?
If you agree with me, then shouldn't you buy lithography machines and other products from Modu Microelectronics?
But looking at Cao Yang's appearance, he didn't mean anything like this at all.
"Mr. Cao, I would like to take the liberty of asking, which manufacturer's lithography machine is going to be used in the relevant chip processing plant of Nanshan Semiconductor?"
If you don't understand it, you don't want to.
Anyway, the main owner is in front of him, just ask directly.
If he didn't figure out the situation today, He Guangming felt that he wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
Nanshan Semiconductor will soon be the second largest chip company in China.
If it is also crazy to expand like this in the next few years, it will soon become the largest chip company in China.
This kind of big customer, he definitely doesn't want to miss it.
"To tell you the truth, Nanshan Equipment has also been researching lithography machines, and even some other core equipment that needs to be used in the chip processing process, we are also researching and producing."
"Our chip processing plant will use the relevant products developed by Nanshan equipment as much as possible in the future."
"Mr. He, I think there should still be some projects that can be cooperated between Modu Microelectronics and Nanshan Equipment."
"In addition to the lithography machine project, we can consider purchasing some other equipment from your company if Modu Microelectronics can be produced."
Cao Yang's answer greatly surprised He Guangming's expectations.
Nanshan equipment wants to produce its own lithography machine?
Want to be that funny?
The most important thing is to listen to Cao Yang's meaning, that is, to let Modu Microelectronics give Nanshan equipment a hand, and the production of some Nanshan equipment is not worth it, but the domestic equipment already has production strength.
How can He Guangming accept this kind of thing?
I don't know how to go on with that!
"Mr. Cao, the lithography machine is by far the most sophisticated and complex machine that human beings have been able to make, and there is no one."
"A lithography machine is composed of three key parts."
"The first part is the light source, the second part is the optical system, and the third part is the etching table."
"The technical challenges of each part are comparable to the moon landing."
"Let's talk about the light source first, the world's most advanced lithography machine EUV lithography machine that ASML has just produced, which is an extremely deep ultraviolet light with a wavelength of 13.5 nanometers, and to produce this light, the current practice is to bombard a small solder ball with a diameter of only one 30 million meters with a high-power laser."
"This matter, just a simple sentence is not enough to describe its difficulty, I need to expand on it."
He Guangming felt that Cao Yang should have very little understanding of lithography machines, otherwise he would not have made Nanshan Equipment, which has been producing machine tools and other equipment, to study lithography machines.
So he was ready to give Cao Yang a literacy finish.
"First of all, a laser beam must accurately hit a small solder ball that is moving at a speed of about 200 miles per hour, and when the temperature of the small solder ball reaches 500,000 degrees, then a laser will bombard it, and then it can produce extremely deep ultraviolet light with a wavelength of 13.5 nanometers."
"To produce this UV light consistently and consistently, the small solder balls need to be bombarded at a frequency of about 50,000 times per second."
"This laser can only be produced by one German company in the world, and it took 10 years for this German company called TRUMPF to develop, and this laser alone has more than 45,700 parts."
"But you may not expect that TRUMPF's laser relies on a Li/Tao/Wan company to provide key equipment, and without the light source equipment manufactured by this Li/Tao/Wan company, TRUMPF cannot produce related equipment."
"And even if you can handle this step, then the next hurdle is how to collect this ultra-deep ultraviolet light and form a laser beam of extremely deep ultraviolet light?"
"That's where the optics come in."
He Guangming saw that Cao Yang did not interrupt his words, thinking that the other party was shocked by the difficulty of what he said.
So continue to explain there very actively.
"The optical system developed for EUV is only manufactured by one German company in the world, and it is the famous Zeiss."
"Many people may have heard that the camera lenses produced by ZEISS are some of the best in the world, but compared to the lenses used in the EUV optical system, the camera lens is like the difference between a propeller sprayed with pesticides and a jet fighter."
"This optical system involves at least the following technical challenges: high-precision aspheric machining, multi-layer film mirrors, high-quality melting, ion beam polishing technology, and extreme precision grinding."
"The ultimate goal is to make a lens that is absolutely smooth and flat, but how smooth should it be?"
"To use Zeiss's own propaganda metaphor, this lens is magnified to the size of the whole of Germany, and the fluctuation does not exceed 0.1 millimeters."
He Guangming wanted to continue to explain, but Cao Yang didn't want to listen to his popular science, and said: "Mr. He, Deutsche TRUMPF's laser equipment technology is indeed very powerful, but if you inquire about it, you will find that in the field of laser cutting and laser welding, Nanshan equipment has made TRUMPF unable to survive in China." ”
"Taking the laser cutting equipment used in the hot stamping parts production line of the automotive industry as an example, more than 50 hot stamping production lines in the country, more than eighty percent of the laser cutting equipment is provided by Nanshan Equipment."
"So how difficult the laser you just talked about is just relative to other manufacturers, and for Nanshan equipment, it is actually not insurmountable."
Even I can reveal some news that the laser of Nanshan equipment has been successfully installed on the self-developed lithography machine. ’
"If Modu Microelectronics is still ready to continue to produce lithography machines in the future, you can consider buying lasers from Nanshan Equipment, which will definitely bring you unexpected surprises."
"In addition, we have made a series of improvements to the optical system of the lithography machine, and the related work has been basically completed, and these technologies will be published in relevant journals in the form of papers in the near future."
"Of course, I can also briefly tell Mr. He that although our optical system also requires high-precision lenses, the degree of exaggeration is far less than that supplied by Zeiss to ASML."
"I admit that it is very difficult to make an absolutely smooth and flat lens, Zeiss can control the fluctuation of the lens to an error of about one atom, close to the theoretical physical limit, our Nanshan equipment can not do it, and we can't find a similar level of manufacturers in China."
"But we can make a more bulky improvement of this optical system, and by increasing the volume of the device, we can achieve the ultimate goal in another way."
"Although this will cause the volume of our lithography machine to be much larger than ASML, it is no problem to meet the needs of 65nm chip production, even 40nm or even 22nm chip production."
"The most important thing is that we don't need to produce EUV lithography machines right away, it is enough to produce DUV lithography machines."
"As a result, the technical difficulty of the related immediately drops by several levels."
As soon as Cao Yang said this, He Guangming couldn't help but open his mouth wide.
If it weren't for Cao Yang who said this, he wouldn't have believed that there was any credibility in this statement.
Can Nanshan machines produce lasers at the same level as TRUMPF?
If the information Cao Yang just said is true, then it is possible that the laser level of Nanshan equipment is relatively high.
But what about optical systems?
Don't think that DUV lithography machines are simpler than EUV, just think that it's that easy.
Is this something that can be easily replaced by a magnification device?
Isn't that?
Like the first computer, it was a behemoth with 18,000 tubes, covering an area of 170 square meters, weighing 30 tons, consuming about 150 kilowatts of electricity, but only 5,000 calculations per second.
Now any junk notebook can kill it in seconds.
Is this a problem that can be solved by being large?
If it were that simple, even giants like Nikon and Canon wouldn't start to fall behind.
"Mr. Cao, are you sure these things are real?"
Although it was rude to ask like this, He Guangming couldn't help it and still asked.
If the news is true, then it will be a very huge change for Huaxia's chip industry.
This is also a major event related to the future development of Modu microelectronic equipment!
(End of chapter)