Hearing Su Yu's words, Bao Ling and Ba Xiali were slightly stunned.

Because the data Su Yu said is all accurate, and although it is not top secret, even in the upper echelons of the United Kingdom, few people know it so clearly.

Moreover, Su Yu did tell the essence of the Sino-British war at once.

Ba Xiali sneered: "Sir Su Yu, you should know that it is easy to point out problems, but the real difficulty is to solve them. I know that there are two very famous columnists in your country, Zhang Yi and Su Qin, who both rely on their incorruptible tongues to move the monarch of the enemy country and make all ridiculous moves. But I'm very sorry that your bluff is useless in today's world, and your pragmatic diplomacy is outdated. ”

Su Yu said: "In your eyes, war is also hierarchical. Some wars are necessary, strategic level. And some wars, which have no strategic value, are non-essential, belong to the end of the war value chain. ”

"For example, in the Crimean War, Tsarist Russia paid 800 million rubles for the war, and you paid more, because you have a million troops and go on expeditions. So no matter how many years it takes, the profits of this war will not be recovered. But strategically, you feel that it is worth it, because you have prevented the expansion of Tsarist Russia and stifled Tsarist Russia's provocation against the overlord of the British Empire. ”

"As for our war, it has no strategic value at all, and it is completely at the end of the war value chain."

Ba Xia said: "Sir Su Yu, your analysis is very wonderful, but you have digressed. As I have already said, it is not the ability to ask questions, but the ability to solve problems. ”

Su Yu said, "Sir Basha, are you in a hurry?" If you're in a hurry, talk about it next time. But if you're not in a hurry, let me get it through. ”

"I'm really busy, but it's okay to waste an hour or two. But if you do make me waste these two hours, I'll let you waste the rest of your life. ”

Su Yu said: "There are only two ways for you to loot benefits. First, the plundering of the raw materials of the colonies. Second, use the colonies as dumping grounds. ”

"But the benefits of these two tricks are getting smaller and smaller, aren't they?"

"Moreover, since the beginning of this century, the colonies owned by the European powers have become independent, the United States has become independent, Mexico has become independent, Brazil has become independent, Venezuela has become independent, and even India, which you regard as the crown jewel of the queen, has been in turmoil."

"The United States has very few colonies in the world, but its total economic value will surpass that of the British Empire in the near future. In recent years, the economic growth rate of the United States has actually been very slow, because the contradictions between the North and the South have become more and more intense, but even if the growth rate is less than 2%, it will surpass the British Empire in 30 years. ”

"In terms of actual control of territory, the United States is far less than the British Empire, so why is it destined to surpass you Britain economically? There's a reason for that, the American model, which is ahead of your British model. ”

"Your plundering of the raw materials of the colonies and then dumping the products of your own country is a kind of primitive plunder, a very low-level, very primitive economic activity."

"Adults, the industrial age has arrived, and the era of high value-added industrial products has arrived."

"Your low-end economic activities are outdated."

"How glorious was the East India Company? But why is it getting worse now, I believe it won't be long before it will go out of business, because your economic model is outdated. ”

"It is true that the British Empire's position as the world hegemon can be maintained for a long time, but that is because of the strong inertia, first the economy, then the military, and finally politics and culture, if you follow this backward model, your hegemonic status will eventually be replaced by the United States."

Speaking of this, Su Yu paused for a moment.

The British Minister Bao Ling really looked at Su Yu in disbelief at this time.

If you close your eyes, it is as if he is listening to a lecture at Cambridge University, and the lecture is still a professor who is proficient in international politics and economics.

These words of Su Yu, even within the UK, are very advanced and even offensive.

Such radical remarks are indeed correct.

But...... It's a bit too early.

You're right, but the vast majority of people don't think you're right.

Because the vast majority of people are obsessed with the glory of the present.

Only Bao Ling's elite deeply knows the correctness of Su Yu's remarks.

But when these words came out of the mouth of a nobleman of the decaying Qing Empire, they were full of magic.

Su Yu continued: "If you look at the Qing Empire, you will laugh at his pedantry and ridiculousness. If you look at the Ottoman Empire, the same sentiment is true. But it seems to me that many of you British men are gradually following in our footsteps. ”

Bao Ling said: "Please continue. ”

Su Yu said: "There are two reasons why your trade volume with China is declining year by year. ”

"The first reason is that China is still in a small-scale peasant economy, a closed economy, self-sufficient, and very small external demand. Your industrial products have just opened the market, and there will be a buying wave. But most of the industrial products you dump can be used for a long time, and after you buy them once, you don't need to use them again for a long time. ”

"The second reason is that the opium trade is strongly squeezing the trade space for other products. Unlike your country, although many people are addicted to opium, in the mainstream of the whole country, opium is evil and a product of demons. So I think that all your British products are dark and evil. Therefore, there is a strong sense of rejection of British products, and indeed all Western products. ”

"Of course, your native Britain, especially London, is also plagued by opium, and you don't have too deep negative feelings about opium itself, but our country has a higher moral threshold than your country to some extent."

"And you are so arrogant that you think that what is popular in Europe will definitely be popular in our country, which is ridiculous."

"You take it for granted that if you open more ports and open more cities, you will get a bigger market. To some extent, it is, but it is not. ”

"Because the port cities of the last wave of opening up are already the most open and wealthy cities in our country. No matter how many cities and ports are opened, the result will still be the same, the trade volume will rise for three or four years, and then it will fall sharply again. ”

"Because the market is so big."

"Of course, there is also the core reason, your industrial products, the Chinese market does not need them.

"Opium is evil and dark, so the only thing our country needs for you is weapons and arms."

"But two adults, even in terms of weapons and arms, you will soon fall behind. The U.S. arms industry is thriving, and even if you look down on it, you have to admit that in the future their arms will be cheap and useful. And in the near future, you have an even bigger rival, the Kingdom of Prussia. ”

"Perhaps in your eyes, Tsarist Russia is the biggest adversary, and the United States is the long-term adversary. But in fact, the rising kingdom of Prussia is the biggest challenger to the next hegemony of your British Empire. ”

Ba Xia said: "Your Excellency Su Yu, I admit your words, deafening, but it is still the same sentence, you have been asking questions, but still not solving the problem. ”

Su Yu said: "Okay, then I'll talk about how to solve the problem." ”

"Take our country as an example, if you want to really expand the trade volume and really get huge benefits, there is only one way, to really join our economic order, to cultivate the market while making what we really need."

"How can you make money by producing industrial products from your own country, and then shipping them all the way to China to sell them, but you don't need them?"

"And the cost of a British female worker's salary is as high as about 20 pounds a year, and the economy has developed to the present, and the era of using cheap workers, and even child labor, has passed. In 1833 and 1844, both of these nodes made the British child labor law perfect, and you British child labor can still be used for a few years. ”

"It's a different story in China, where our labor costs are only about a quarter of that of a British female worker. If you set up a factory in China, you can not only sell directly in China, saving labor costs, but also radiate the whole of Asia, saving a lot of transportation costs. ”

"Two adults, although your products are still better than those in the United States, there is one thing that you can't compare, that is, you are too arrogant, and you are not in awe of the market. Americans are more market-oriented, and they're better at identifying people's needs. ”

"You only like to grab the cake, and the Americans prefer to make the cake bigger."

"If the cake is fixed and the industrial technology has developed to a bottleneck, then there is no doubt that the benefits of grabbing the cake are greater. But if industrial technology and the economy are booming, then the profit of making the cake bigger is far greater than grabbing the cake. ”

Bashali said: "So, what is your solution to the problem?" ”

Su Yu said: "You provide technology, provide machines, we provide markets, provide manpower, provide land, provide raw materials, and you invest in factories in a certain city in our country. ”

"To produce what we need, to produce what Asia needs, and to produce what the whole world needs."

"This is the real win-win situation, this is the long-term benefit, not the kind of chicken-and-egg profit mining like yours."

After listening to Su Yu's words, Bao Ling and Ba Xiali were really completely stunned.

I didn't expect that Su Yao's solution would be so ...... Radical.

Very, very smart, of course.

It's just that some of them are too clever.

However, in every case, it is indeed the best solution.

Of course, it is clever, because this is the core means of the capitalist state in later generations.

Leading the primitive colonial plunder, it is a whole few tens or hundreds of years, and it belongs to the dimensionality reduction attack of the era of industry and capital.

Ba Xia said: "Your Excellency Su Yu, there are two questions. ”

Su Yu said: "Please speak." ”

"The first question is that the people of your country are very backward and ignorant, and I am afraid that they will not be able to engage in this kind of industrial production. ”

Su Yu said: "That's really ridiculous, what kind of education do you have for child laborers in your country?" How many of the female workers in your country have studied? I can assure you that our workers are the best in the world. ”

"I can responsibly say that at present, most of the industrial production only needs the most ordinary basic workers, and there is no so-called difficulty at all."

"There are three points to measure whether a worker is excellent, obedience, hard-working, and cheap enough."

"You might say that your British Empire has many colonies, and there are many cheap labor. Which colony do you intend to use the labor force? Those lazy racists in India, or the descendants of those prisoners in Australia? ”

"Maybe you can think of it yourself, and I will directly and frankly say that there are only two countries that are most suitable for this role, one is China, and the other is Japan."

"But we are much superior to Japan, our market is more than 10 times larger than Japan, and our manpower is more than 10 times larger than Japan."

At this time, Su Yu was at a loss, not only to start planning the future of the whole of China.

And the future of Japan will be ruined from this moment on.

On the surface, the reason why Japan was able to rise was the Meiji Restoration, but in the final analysis, it still hugged the thigh of Britain and embarked on the road of industrialization.

However, as Su Yu said, China is more suitable than Japan in every aspect.

Su Yu continued: "You have always regarded Tsarist Russia as a great danger because he is constantly challenging the world order dominated by the British Empire. So not long ago, the Crimean War was fought, which could never return to the original country, and millions of troops were used, astronomical military spending. ”

"Tsarist Russia has been frustrated in its expansion in the West, so there is no doubt that it will turn its attention to the East, you need a strong ally to curb Tsarist Russia's greedy expansion, who is more suitable for this role? Could it be Japan? Of course not, it's too small, and we, China, are the most suitable players. ”

Historically, this role is indeed Japan.

This is even the core reason for Japan's rise as a great power.

At this time, Bao Ling and Ba Xiali were really shocked.

They originally thought that Su Yu was here to talk about the revision of the contract and the matter of retiring from the army.

As a result, Su Yu didn't say a word.

What he came to talk about turned out to be the core national policy of the two major powers in the future.

It turned out that we were talking about the international order in the next three to five decades.

Isn't that more than visionary?

It even sounds a little ridiculous, a Qing man is designing a grand blueprint for the future hegemony of the British Empire.

However, Su Yu's words, no matter which direction he thinks from, are correct.

Su Yu said: "Your Excellency, it is difficult to find such a complementary country in the world as China and the United Kingdom. ”

"We are far enough apart, and there are no strategic contradictions, but there is a huge strategic overlap."

"Your strategic enemy is Tsarist Russia, the Kingdom of Prussia, and the United States."

"Far friends and close attacks, we China are a godsend ally of the British Empire."

"In the event of a war in the future, we in China can still provide an almost infinite number of troops."

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Speaking of which, there was a brief pause between the two sides.

It is necessary to digest Su Yu's words to a certain extent, and also sort out his emotions a little.

Sir Bauling took out a pipe and took a puff.

Then he drank the wine from his glass.

Then he pointed the bottle at the mouth of Su Yu's cup and said, "May I?" ”

This was the first time the British minister had poured wine for Su Yu.

Su Yu leaned over, turned the cup sideways and said, "Thank you." ”

Bao Ling poured a small half glass of wine for Su Yao.

The two men clinked glasses and took a sip.

Next, Minister Bao Ling began to brew emotions.

"Sir Sue, Wittoma, and Henry have all written to me complimenting you, but I must tell you honestly that they are slightly frivolous and arrogant."

Of course, Su Yu understood Bao Ling's words.

Wei Tuma and Henry, from the bottom of their bones, still looked down on Su Yu, looked down on Su Yu, and felt that they were the givers.

You talk about Shakespeare, you sing opera, and they will feel like a qualified rister.

A standard pleaser.

"But today's conversation, you made me feel amazed, even shocked."

"I can't imagine that in the decaying Qing Empire, there could be a genius like you, who has such a deep understanding of international politics, economics, and order, and has an incomparably clear mind."

"Through your eyes, it's like seeing the next fifty years, a hundred years."

"So, Sir Su Yu, you are not here to talk about any treaty amendments, nor are you here to talk about treaty ports or anything like that, these are not worth mentioning in your eyes." Minister Bao Ling said: "You are here to talk about the future of China, even the future of Sino-British relations, and even the future of the East Asian order. ”

Su Yu said: "Yes, Mr. Minister." ”

Minister Bao Ling said: "I also claim to be one of the best people in the world, I agree with your point of view, so we have a really strong dialogue between us, of course, only the strong in thought, after all, your country is still very weak and rotten." ”

Su Yu said: "Of course, I never deny this. ”

Minister Bao Ling said: "The diplomatic framework and future development framework you have designed for your country are undoubtedly the best. For our British Empire, too, there are huge benefits. ”

The next thing is but.

"But ......," said Minister Bao Ling, "the frame you designed is too high, although it is very beautiful, but it cannot be landed, it is completely a castle in the air." ”

"Sir Su Yu, although you are respected by the emperor, everything you do is actually against his will, he is essentially a corrupt and ignorant monarch."

Of course, Su Yu knew this.

For the new army, the emperor is essentially repulsive, but because he can win the battle, and out of trust in Su Yu, the emperor can tolerate the new army.

However, the new army was already the limit of the emperor's tolerance.

Su Yu and the emperor have an essential contradiction and a contradiction in their strategic line.

Therefore, the year 1860 was an extremely important node for Su Yu.

A lot of things, he needed to do before 1860.

Cixi, the concubine, hangs the curtain and listens to the government, so that Su Yu can really show his strength.

Because the emperor had a very stubborn political position, that is, conservative and closed.

However, Xingzhen has no political position.

Her only position is power.

As for Baby Ci'an, she, she has no position, and she is very easy to bully at first glance. But to some extent, she will also be important to Su Yu in the future.

"Your Excellency Su Yu, your proposal is very good, it almost amazes me, but ...... Your power is too small, your status is too low to sustain your proposal. Minister Bao Ling said: "When you take over the supreme ruling power of your country, it will not be too late for us to talk, and now we can only put it on the shelf." ”

Su Yu shook his head and said, "No, no, no, Minister Baoling, you are too negative." ”

"Waiting is the most negative behavior, and it will be at least a few years before I take full power, by which time you are already retired."

Sir Bao Ling smiled: "As long as it is for the benefit of the British Empire, why should I be successful?" ”

Hehe, you're just talking about it.

Su Yu said: "I have a proposal. ”

Sir Bao Ling said: "We are listening. ”

Su Yu said: "My framework, at present, is indeed too high in space, with my power and status, it is difficult to land. ”

"But we can make it miniaturized and make a small test area for verification first."

Sir Bao Ling's eyes lit up and said, "Let's talk about it, I'm very interested in this topic. ”

Su Yu said: "We are looking for a city, a city that I can completely control, and divide it into a pilot area. We have land costs, labor costs, administrative costs, raw materials, and some capital costs, accounting for 51% of the shares. ”

"You produce technology, senior engineers, and machines."

"We have several factories in partnership to tailor products for the entire East Asian market."

"If it is successful, it will prove that this line is correct, and it can be replicated on a large scale in our country in the future when I take power."

Bao Ling said: "There are still two problems, the first question, your step is very radical, your emperor is too conservative, he does not even allow our merchants to operate in the cities of your country, nor do they allow consulates to be set up in several other cities. Our British capital sets up factories in your country? That's all his scales. ”

Su Yu said: "So we have to hide it from the emperor, we signed a secret agreement, and I signed it with you, so that no one knows." In the eyes of the outside world, this factory belongs completely to me and the imperial court, and it can bring a lot of taxes to the imperial court. I just hired a lot of foreign engineers, just as my army hired foreign officers, and the emperor was uncomfortable, but willing to tolerate it. ”

Duke Bao Ling said: "Your country does have a tendency to deceive the superiors and subordinates, and Ye Mingchen is one of the masters. ”

Ye Mingchen, hehe!

His recital to the emperor is indeed to conceal it to the end, falsely reporting a great victory, I don't know how many times.

There are countless ways to deceive the emperor.

Bao Ling sighed: "The power of the emperor of your country is really too great. He has the power to make a decision on almost anything. Therefore, Sir Su Yu, it is very dangerous for you to place your power entirely on the Holy Family. ”

Of course, Su Yu knew this, so he repeatedly emphasized that 1860 was an important node.

"The second question is, which city do you want to designate this experimental area in?"

Su Yu said: "Jiujiang! ”

Bao Ling frowned and said, "Why not Shanghai, not Xiamen, or Guangzhou?" ”

Of course it can't be these places, because these places are close to the coast, and the navies of the Western powers are too strong, and they can take away and even destroy these industries at any time if they want to.

Jiujiang, on the other hand, is close to the Yangtze River, so the transportation cost does not increase much, and it is also an inland city, which is relatively easy to defend.

Guangzhou Consul Ba Xiali said: "If I am not mistaken, Jiujiang at this time should be in the hands of the Taiping Army." ”

Su Yu said: "So next, my goal is to take Jiujiang." ”

In Jiujiang, there is also one of the most coveted military sources by Su Yu, which is almost the best military source in the entire China.

Su Lu's new army can't do close combat, but Jiujiang Lin Qirong's subordinates are extremely fierce in close combat and have experienced countless tests of death.

Marksmanship can be practiced, but the will and murderous spirit that have been tempered by countless lives and deaths are difficult to practice.

Minister Bao Ling said: "Okay, assuming that you have already taken Jiujiang, then how much silver do you plan to invest in this experimental area?" How much do you think the annual profit will be attributable to us? ”

Su Yu said: "I plan to invest 10 million taels of silver, after the completion of the construction, the net profit attributable to you in the first year will be 3 million taels, and then it will increase by more than 20% year by year, and it can be maintained for at least nearly ten years." ”

"Impossible, impossible!" Bao Ling was taken aback.

"Sir Su Yu, you are too pompous to be believed."

"I can't imagine what kind of factory, what kind of product, in the first year after construction, there will be almost 100% profit."

If all this comes true, what is the profit from the opium trade? But in fact, opium is already our biggest profiteering product. ”

"Do you know what the net profit of these factories will be in ten years? Almost 30 million taels! ”

"And your entire Qing country, the financial income of a year is only 40 million taels!"

Su Yu said: "So, I said that you are outdated, and your understanding of industry and products is too low-level, so you can't produce products that are popular and sweep the world." ”

"Actually, I still haven't said a word, in my design, in the Jiujiang Pilot Zone, we will cooperate to set up four or five factories, and the biggest asset in this is not your technology, nor the money I invested, but my wisdom!"

"The products I design and build are destined to be popular all over the world and create huge profits."

The British Minister Bowling said: "Then may I ask Sir Su Yu, which factories will you build?" What kind of products are produced? ”

Su Yu said: "Of course this is confidential. ”

The consul in Guangzhou said: "Sir Su Yu, in the first half of today's conversation, you have brought us great amazement and shock. But in the second half, it brought us disappointment because it was too pompous. ”

Of course, they don't want to believe that the products designed by Su Yu can sweep the world and make so much money.

Minister Bao Ling said: "In other words, you want to sign a secret agreement with us in your personal name, in exchange for our unconditional withdrawal and unconditional release of Ye Mingchen and others." ”

Su Yu said: "Yes." ”

Ba Xia said: "In other words, you don't plan to pay any substantial benefits, and you want us to withdraw from the army?" The only thing we get is a secret agreement? A secret covenant like a castle in the sky? ”

Su Yu said: "Yes." ”

Ba Xia said: "It's too whimsical, it's too ridiculous. In Chinese terms, you are a white wolf with empty gloves, using vague promises in exchange for our actual withdrawal. ”

Sir Bao Ling said: "Sir Su Yu, I repeat that our British Empire has adopted pragmatic diplomacy and interest diplomacy. Seeing no real benefits, even if we talk about it in a big way, we will at best applaud and not invest half a penny. ”

Su Yu said: "Of course, of course! ”

"Just now, I only used words to persuade you, and now, I want to conquer you with the fruits of true wisdom."

"What I'm about to take out will be my first product, it's destined to sweep the world, it's destined to be as expensive as gold."

Then, Su Yu took out a glass bottle from his arms and put it on the table, there was a little yellowish powder in it.

"It's a drug that is ahead of you in England across the board, and I call it penicillin, and it's going to be more precious than gold for a long time to come."

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Note: The second update is sent, Engong, I urgently need a monthly pass, at the end of the month, don't waste it, give it to me, okay?

Pastry continues to work hard.

(End of chapter)