Zheng Zhenchuan's eyes flashed a few times.

has been with Yuanxin's team for so long, if he still can't figure out Yuanxin's ambition and Su Yuanshan's vision, then he will live dozens of years in vain.

Obviously, Su Yuanshan pondered and sighed just now, naturally dissatisfied with the current model and future expectations.

But Zheng Zhenchuan also knew that Su Yuanshan was enthusiastic and even persistent about the localization of the lithography machine - at least the localization of technology - otherwise he would not have rushed over immediately after hearing that the lithography machine was successfully installed, and invited Huajing's engineers over with a phone call.

After also muttering for a long time, Zheng Zhenchuan looked at Su Yuanshan: "Xiao Su, tell me your prediction for the lithography machine market." ”

Su Yuanshan nodded, stared at Zheng Zhenchuan and said: "Since the 6th and 70s, when Fairy Child and IBM were able to make contact lithography equipment by themselves, it has only been twenty or thirty years now. During this period, contact lithography machines were eliminated, and technology continued to innovate and become more complex. In the past few years, GCA, Ultratech and other old lithography machine companies have withdrawn from the market, Nikon, Canon has risen because of the mastery of lens technology. ”

"But in the long run, I'm not optimistic about both of them. ”

"Why?" asked Li Mingliu.

"Because they are Niguo enterprises, because they were abandoned by their fathers, because the closer they are to the high-end, the more they will subdivide the industry. Su Yuanshan glanced at Li Mingliu and said softly.

"From the perspective of the semiconductor industry, the lithography machine is only a part of the chip production line, which seems to be enough subdivision. However, we can foresee that in the future, lithography opportunities will become more and more complex, more and more sophisticated, and more and more constrained by high-end chips. Therefore, it will definitely be subdivided into two areas: parts and technology. ”

Su Yuanshan paused, trying to circumvent the EUV alliance in later generations to explain the importance of "integrated technology".

"What we now call lithography machine technology, on the one hand, includes parts manufacturing, on the other hand, parts integration - in a simple mechanical environment, we have a cognition, that is, as long as it is a machine, it can be imitated and restored when it is disassembled. If not, the component is not up to standard. ”

"Now we can't say that this perception is wrong, but as the mechanical structure becomes more and more complex, especially after the addition of anti-disassembly technology? Even if it can be disassembled and reassembled, how long will it take? Can it be put into the market after installation? I am afraid that others will sue us?—— we are now actively applying to join the GATT. ”

Zheng Zhenchuan stared at Su Yuanshan and said: "So in the new report, our goal is to study the complete equipment with independent intellectual property rights based on the existing technology accumulation. ”

"That's right, independent intellectual property rights are important. But...... Now we have to rely on special methods to get certain core parts. Uncle Zheng, have you considered this?"

Zheng Zhenchuan fell silent.

Su Yuanshan sighed again: "I remember saying before that the top lithography machine in the future must be made by all countries - you see that there are no lithography machine manufacturers in Xingqi Country." But people don't care, because they can buy it. ”

Zheng Zhenchuan looked at him: "You mean, it is impossible to rely on our optical machine and tele-core alone?"

"If we continue to work together in our current form, the best outcome will be that we will not be able to obtain parts from 'IWC', and we will only be able to make products that are one or two generations behind. And under the winner-takes-all law, falling behind means becoming cannon fodder. ”

At this time, Xi Xiaoding asked, "What is the solution?"

Su Yuanshan glanced back at Xi Xiaoding, and said with a smile: "The easiest way is to go to Xiangjiang, use the advantages of Xiangjiang Free Port, get the parts you need, and complete the technological upgrade at the same time." ”

As early as 8 years ago, the Fourth Machinery Department, the Seventh Machinery Department, and the Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation had already "lurked" into Xiangjiang, saving the country by creating Huake, Xinghua, and Xianke, which were the most advanced wafer factories in the country at that time.

Su Yuanshan remembered Lin Benjian, who only started a business in Silicon Valley this year - he would return to SMMC eight years later, and then proposed the immersion technology, and cooperated with ASML to break through the 193 nanometer wavelength immersion lithography, and since then Nikon Canon has been defeated.

At that time, ASML was desperate to choose the stud immersion lithography machine, and then turned it over. Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (SMMC) is also the first to break through the 130nm process, leaving UMC behind.

Of course, in the long run, Nikon Canon's defeat is also doomed, because from the two semiconductor agreements, to the EUV alliance to put aside the Neon country, it is clear that the United States has abandoned them.

Nikon Canon is still like this, not to mention the road of domestic lithography machines.

But now that there is more Su Yuanshan, he knows the direction of development in the future, he knows that immersion technology is the way to go, he also knows that EUV is about the future, and he also knows that FinFET - this is one of the reasons why he chose applied physics.

When Su Yuanshan's words fell, Zheng Zhenchuan smiled helplessly: "Is there still a little more difficult? ”

Xiangjiang was okay to say before, but as 91 approached, all kinds of spies were everywhere, and it was impossible to think about it as a secret unit.

Su Yuanshan smiled: "It's easier said than done, that is, the entire domestic industrial system has been comprehensively upgraded, from raw materials to parts, from light sources to lenses, from bearings to motors, all of which have caught up with the international advanced level." ”

There was a long silence in the room.

This is no longer a question of whether it is difficult or not, but a question of whether you dare to think about it.

Even the most confident and optimistic people do not think that this is a task that can be achieved in the short term.

There was a brief silence in the room.

Boom!

Li Mingliu lightly hammered the table, and said angrily: "Then let's make a fart!"

"Here's the problem, even if we can only make a fart, we have to do it. ”

Su Yuanshan looked at Zheng Zhenchuan calmly: "Uncle Zheng, my determination to support the localization of lithography machine technology will not change. So, please persevere. If you can, your group can even enter the Yuanxin Science and Technology Park, and we will invest nearly 500 million yuan in the field of scientific research next year. ”

At the same time, this lithography machine can also enter the clean room of Yuanxin to carry out scientific research tasks. Of course, when dividing the results, Yuanxin will definitely strive for maximum benefits. Su Yuanshan said and paused: "This is the path we are currently taking, aiming at the secondary market and giving up the high-end market." ”

But there is another sentence that Su Yuanshan didn't say.

That is, Yuanxin will rely on the cooperation with Chengguang Institute to get the immersion technology out in advance, and then authorize it to all lithography machine companies. At the same time, no matter the cost, throw money into a certain area of the lithography machine, such as the light source.

Since the future of lithography machine must be made in all countries, then China will give up the high-end machine market and become a technology provider like Xingqi Country.

When the time comes, if the opponent really wants to raise a big stick, the country will not be able to lift even a hemp stick.