Xia Bohai nodded and said, "From Japan's standpoint, it is not wrong to have such an idea, it is all for the sake of maximizing the interests of your own country." However, it is a bit paradoxical to keep Japan's power stronger than China's, a weak China will provide limited help to Japan, but if Japan really intends to help China develop, it is only a matter of time before China surpasses Japan in terms of size, population, and resources. ”

Qin Zheng said: "We are traversers, of course we know that as long as China straightens out its own affairs, it is very likely to surpass Japan, but in the old time and space, China in this era basically does not see the possibility of surpassing Japan, so if Japan really has to tie China to its own chariot and control China's development speed, it is still very likely to suppress China in terms of strength for a long time." ”

Xia Bohai thought for a while and said, "That's right, who has made China never stop." ”

At this time, Xu Jichao said: "Political Commissar Qin, I have read some articles before the crossing, and there is a point of view that the new policy of the Qing court at this time is actually still doing well, if you can give the Qing court enough time to continue to carry out the new policy, it will eventually be able to succeed and make China rich and strong." As a result, the Xinhai Revolution interrupted the process of the Qing court's new policy and made China miss an opportunity to become rich and powerful. ”

Wang Yunpeng said: "What is this called, the new policy of the Qing court is just something that is made to deceive the people in order to maintain its own rule, if the new policy can really be done well, then the Xinhai Revolution has no chance to break out at all." ”

Xu Jichao said: "Actually, I don't agree with this statement, but I don't know where this statement is, if it is said that the new policy of the Qing court is to deceive the people, but I study the content of the new policy of the Qing court, it should be said that it is still reasonable, at least it is indeed much stronger than before, and there is indeed some taste of constitutional monarchy, which really cannot be said to deceive the people." As for the purpose of maintaining the rule of the Qing court, I think this motive cannot be miscalculated, and if the New Deal can really make the country rich and strong, it can indeed maintain the rule of the Qing court, which is not contradictory. In addition, it can also be seen from the later development of the history of the old time and space that although the Qing court was corrupt and incompetent, it still ensured the unity of the country in general, and the wars that occurred, even if they were such a major chaos as the Gengzi State Rebellion, were controlled within the scope of 5 or 6 provinces, and from the perspective of the whole country, it was generally stable. Although the Xinhai Revolution overthrew the Qing court and established a republic, the whole country soon fell into a fragmented warlord division and chaos, which was not as good as the Qing court's rule in that way, until the founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949, when it was completely changed, but it took nearly 40 years. If these 40 years are given to the Qing court, it will be able to fully develop and improve the new policy. To be honest, I think there is quite some truth to that. Political Commissar Qin has studied history, so I would like to take this opportunity to ask Political Commissar Qin for advice. ”

Qin Zheng nodded and said, "I have also seen some of these remarks before crossing over, but this view is only very reasonable on the surface, and it should be clear from in-depth study that the new policy of the Qing court is doomed to be unsuccessful." If not, I'll explain it in the book I'm going to publish, but I'll talk about it for now. ”

Xu Jichao said: "Okay, I also want to know, why can't the Qing court's new policy succeed?"

Qin Zheng said: "We estimate that regardless of the good or bad of the New Deal, but from 1894 to 1900, in this period of six consecutive years, there were successively the First Sino-Japanese War. It can be said that after the Gengzi National Revolution, except for a very small number of diehards, the vast majority of domestic political forces have basically lost trust in the Qing court. ”

Xu Jichao said: "The probability of success does not mean that there is no chance of success at all." ”

Qin Zheng said: "But the problem lies in the content of the Qing court's new policy. ”

Xu Jichao said: "I don't see anything wrong with the content of the Qing court's new policy." ”

Qin Zheng said: " Purely from the content of the new deal, there is indeed no major problem, and it can even be said that compared with before, there is indeed progress, but it is a pity that the timing of the introduction of the new deal is not right, if it is before the First Sino-Japanese War, even if it is after the Wuxu change to launch these new deals, there will be basically no big problem, and it can also get widespread support, but after the Gengzi State Change, the credibility of the Qing court is basically cleared, and then the implementation of such a new deal, the political forces of all parties naturally cannot accept it, thinking that the new policy of the Qing court retains a lot of power for itself, and the pace of reform is still too slow, so the Qing court can not use such a new deal to restore its credibility。 ”

Xu Jichao said: "Isn't there any chance of success?"

Qin Zheng said: "Of course, it is not completely nothing, I think that if the new policy of the Qing court wants to succeed, it can only learn from the British to engage in a virtual monarchy, the emperor is just a symbol of the country, not in the hands of actual power, but to hand over the power, only in this way can the Qing court regain the trust of all forces, and although the Qing court has lost power, it can also keep the name of the emperor and the status of the national symbol, but can transcend the forces of all parties." It's a pity that the Qing court can't do this anyway, because from the beginning the Qing court didn't think about learning from the British, but took Japan and Germany as reference objects, and it was Japan, and later the Qing court promulgated the "Outline of the King James Constitution", which basically copied Japan's Meiji Constitution, and clearly stipulated that 'the emperor rules the Qing Empire, and will be respected forever and forever'. At the same time, the emperor has all kinds of powers, such as promulgating laws, overseeing justice, convening and dissolving parliaments, appointing officials, commanding the army, etc., and to be honest, this power has hardly changed compared with the past, and to say progress, that is, the power of the emperor has been clarified in the form of law. When Cixi was alive, the Qing court didn't dare to go too far, but as soon as Cixi died, Zaifeng, a group of young magnates, was impatient to seize power, but they didn't have Cixi's political skills, and finally came up with an imperial cabinet, so I said that the Qing court's new policy was impossible to succeed. Although violent revolution will cause certain turmoil and even bloodshed and sacrifice to the country and society, it is indeed the only way out in China in this era. ”

Xia Bohai said: " For example, if conservative treatment is adopted, the patient may be able to maintain it for a long time, and even in a certain period of time, the patient's mental outlook is not bad, but the disease is always unable to be completely cured, and after the cancer cells spread, he can only wait for death; if he chooses the treatment plan of major surgery and resects the tumor, after the operation, the patient may be greatly injured, the body is very weak, and even half dead, and the state of the body is not as good as before the operation for a period of time, but after all, the root of the disease can be completely eradicated, and after surviving the weak period after the operation, the patient will be completely healed and restored to health。 The Qing court was the tumor, the New Deal was conservative therapy, and the violent revolution was surgery to remove the tumor. ”

After listening to Qin Zheng's speech and Xia Bohai's analogy, Xu Jichao suddenly realized and said: "It turns out that this is the truth, I finally understand." ”

At this time, Xiao Jianjun said: "What we want to discuss now is not the new policy of the Qing court, but how to deal with these revolutionaries, and do we really want to cooperate with them?"

Xia Bohai said: "Of course, the revolutionaries of this era may have such and such shortcomings, but there are two points worth affirming, one is patriotic, they sincerely hope that China can become strong; the other is passionate, as long as they recognize that it is beneficial to the country, they will go all out to do it, and they are not even afraid of sacrifice, isn't the Xinhai Revolution launched by a group of young people?" Moreover, the revolutionaries are basically young people with a certain amount of cultural knowledge, and they are exactly the talents we need, so as long as we give them the right guidance, they can be completely used by us, of course, the premise is that they fully agree with our government philosophy, as long as this requirement is met, everything else is not a problem. ”

Qin Zheng said: "I am not worried about anything else, the main thing is that I am worried that our land policy will be difficult to be accepted by others, many revolutionaries in this era are landlords and gentry families, and the land reform is to move their cheese, and there are many examples of this in the old time and space." And I expect that we will be approached with a demand that land reform be open to them. ”

Xia Bohai said: "Let's talk about it first, we must first explain to them clearly the significance and purpose of implementing land reform, this is the only way to make China stronger and stronger, not for our selfish interests, none of us use land reform to occupy an acre of land for ourselves, if this still cannot accept our land reform, then it can only be said that the Tao is different and does not conspire with each other." ”

Qin Zheng also nodded and said, "This can only be the case, land reform is impossible to implicate anyone." ”

Xiao Jianjun said: "What we are talking about now is just ordinary revolutionaries, and what about the leaders and well-known personnel among those revolutionaries, such as Huang Xing, and Sun Yat-sen." ”

Xia Bohai said: "It's the same, first of all, we must agree with our policy, as long as we can do this, then other things are easy to say, the specific cooperation method can be negotiated, or we can join us, we can hire according to the material, but if we can't agree with our policy, then we have to part ways." ”