Although Zheng Yan's answer was a bit shameless, Larry Ellison and Jobs found that they couldn't find a reason to refute it. Putting aside the known shares of Cisco and Oracle, just investing in oil futures of 12 billion US dollars is not something that ordinary people can take out, even if things are like Zheng Yan said, the money comes from elsewhere, that is not something that ordinary people can do, but this trust is rare.

"Zheng Yan, do you know what the outside media say about me? They all say that I am a spendthrift and extravagant, if they know what you said today, I am afraid that these titles will fall on you. ”

Larry Ellison has never cared about the judgment from others, but now after listening to Zheng Yan's words, and thinking about the outside world's evaluation of himself, his heart is suddenly a little unbalanced. In his opinion, no one can compare to Zheng Yan in front of him.

"I think it's not uncommon for young billionaires to be rare, but it's really rare for someone like you to be young, rich, and so daring to gamble. Come to think of it, investing in apples is really nothing compared to your investment in oil futures. ”

Although Jobs is also famous as a teenager and has superhuman talent in the management and operation of the company, on the whole, he is more like a technician, so when investing, he prefers to be down-to-earth, and he does not agree with Zheng Yan's extremely high-risk investment method.

Of course, although Jobs did not agree with Zheng Yan's investment method, he admired Zheng Yan's courage very much. It is said that successful people are the same, and those who fail are different, Jobs believes that behind Zheng Yan's success there must be an unknown belief.

"By the way, Steve, as far as I know, isn't your new company in California, why did you suddenly come to New York?"

Zheng Yan's purpose is to befriend Jobs, not to dwell on what hasn't happened yet. There is a good reason for Larry Ellison's arrival, but Zheng Yan is still a little curious about the appearance of Jobs.

"Actually, it's nothing, this time our company has developed a new computer, I named it NeXTStation, and this time I came here mainly to do some pre-IPO publicity work. ”

"By the way, Zheng Yan, since you have so much confidence in me, do you think the computer we produced this time will be successful?"

Through Zheng Yan's speech just now, Jobs can see that Zheng Yan is optimistic about Apple after his return, but he is also very curious about Zheng Yan's thoughts on his current company.

"Steve, if I can directly predict the success of a product, then I don't have to go around, just find a company and reduce their upfront R&D costs. You know, I haven't even seen your company's products. ”

Although Zheng Yan is very clear about the fate of NeXTStation, and even the fate of NeXT Computer Company, he does not want to say more in this regard. Occasionally revealing something will make everyone feel that they have extraordinary investment vision, but if you reveal too much, it will be a lame ass, an evil door.

Although Jobs and Larry Ellison never thought that Zheng Yan's words would determine the fate of NeXTStation, they could also see that Zheng Yan's words had reservations.

"Zheng Yan, of course we understand what you said, but now we are just a private exchange between friends, what does it matter?"

Larry Ellison has already seen Zheng Yan's investment or bold predictions, so he is also very curious about Zheng Yan's thoughts on the questions raised by Jobs.

"Okay, then I'll give you my opinion. ”

Zheng Yan knew that if he didn't express his opinion, Larry Ellison and Jobs would not let him go.

"To be honest, although I haven't seen the real thing, in my heart, I am not optimistic about your new products. ”

Compared with making people suspicious, Zheng Yan doesn't want to make exceptions to things that he can accurately predict every time.

"I don't understand, aren't you very optimistic about Steve? ”

For Zheng Yan's answer, Larry Ellison was a little surprised. According to what Zheng Yan just said, he is only optimistic about Jobs himself, in this case, whether Jobs is in Apple or NeXT Computer Company, Zheng Yan's confidence in him should be the same.

Although Jobs was also a little surprised, he did not speak, but quietly waited for Zheng Yan's next words.

In fact, this is not difficult to understand, first, the advent of any new product needs to pass the test of the market before it can be recognized by consumers, especially valuable items such as computers. NeXT Computer Company has been around for too short a time, and for most people, the computers it produces are certainly not the first choice. ”

"Second, Steve, although you have been involved in the design and development of all of Apple's products, when you left, the technology must have belonged to Apple, not to you. In other words, the product you are making now needs to circumvent some of the technologies that you are familiar with, but to develop a new technology, it is not possible to do it in a short time. From this, it can be asserted that there is nothing particularly attractive about your new product. ”

"Whether it is the development of new technologies or the improvement of original technologies, it requires a collision of ideas, and the current NeXT computer company lacks this collision. ”

After all, Larry Ellison and Jobs are both technicians, so they naturally know that what Zheng Yan said is true.

"By the way, Zheng Yan, I once heard Leonard say that you provided him with ideas for the development of Cisco's new generation of routers. Steve is also a friend of ours, I wonder if you have any advice for him?"

Although Larry Ellison was not present when Cisco went public, nor did he hear Leonard's introduction to the media, as a friend of Leonard, some news had already been known from him. It may seem like an inconspicuous idea, but Larry Ellison, as a technician, naturally knows the importance of these ideas.

"Don't mess around Larry, I was able to give those suggestions in the first place because I had already learned a lot about Cisco products before I met Leonard. And now, I don't know much about Steve's products, I haven't even seen them. ”

Zheng Yan didn't expect that because of his whim, he told Leonard about the development idea of a new generation of routers, but now it would bring trouble to himself.