683 More than $1.6 billion, can Egyptians afford it?

"8 million, 60 planes!" Muhanad gritted his teeth and quoted a price that he thought was absolutely high.

Chinese like to ask for sky-high prices.

When the J-7 was introduced, wasn't it the same?

"Mr. Minister, if this is the case, it will be difficult for us to continue talking. Both of us have already surfaced our positions and bottom lines, and all along, in order to reach an agreement, we have been lowering our requirements and opening up the export of some technologies. But you didn't show much sincerity......" Xie Jianguo looked at the Egyptians, and really didn't want to continue.

$8 million a plane, also has a huge profit.

But after the production line is provided, this profit will be compressed a lot.

For the fighter planes produced in Egypt, the Chinese side can get a part of the technology royalties and the profits from the production of key components, and the overall profit is at least 40% less, which is already very disturbing.

In order to get more funds, 404 released some technologies that were not advanced, especially some mechanical processing plants and metallurgical plants in the aviation manufacturing industry.

The Egyptians want more.

"The price is already very high. The same type of trainer aircraft in Europe, the United States and the Soviet Union have been successfully developed for many years after market verification, and the price is about 10 million US dollars...... "Although it has some combat capabilities, the combat radius is too small and the bomb load is too small......

The disadvantages of light fighters are just that.

At present, there are very few countries that study light fighters.

After decades of the Cold War, the fighters of the two camps developed rapidly, especially after the second-generation aircraft, the fighter designs of the two camps of the West and the Soviet Union were biased towards the idea of large range, high bomb load, and multi-purpose, so that some new models became fighters with offensive and in-depth strike capabilities.

Light fighters were gradually abandoned because their combat capabilities were too poor.

Even if the price is low, not many countries are willing to equip it.

Especially those countries that carry out strategic offensives for national defense.

"That's true. Your Excellency, this is only a light fighter. The biggest feature is not combat capabilities, but the cost of training pilots. Light fighters are only consumables for medium and heavy fighters that are more powerful...... Even the MiG-29 sells for more than $20 million in the market, and the F-16 is even more expensive...... Xie Kai said.

Egypt is now seeking to introduce the F-16.

Maybe it has already been introduced.

But the performance of the F-16 is advanced enough, but the price is not affordable by ordinary countries.

Not only is the purchase price high, but the maintenance cost is also unaffordable for the average country.

"This fighter can form a high and low match with the F-16 purchased by your country. Although the bomb load is small, but the purchase price of one F-16, at least three Super -7A can be purchased, and your country's production line will start production, and the larger the output, the lower the cost will be......" Xie Kai talked about this from the perspective of the Egyptians.

How did the Egyptians not think about it?

"$8.5 million, 70 planes!" the Egyptians almost gritted their teeth to offer this condition.

"We can't accept the price. Mr. Minister, from the design and development of a fighter to the finalization of supporting ammunition, the funds required are huge......" Zheng Yucheng shook his head.

When Xiong Hongyuan and others from Factory 132 heard this, they scolded angrily in their hearts.

It's shameless.

The people of 611 are even more despised.

Before the test flight began, many of the technical data and designs of the Super 7A fighter came from the J-9, and the 404 is investing funds in this project, and so far, it will definitely not exceed 200 million yuan.

Even if the test flight is finalized, the cost of the J-9 and other projects is put aside, and the three project models of the Super -7A, Super -7B, and Project 10 share various research and development costs, it will not cost 500 million.

This order alone can recover all the R&D costs, and there is even a surplus.

Unashamedly said how much R&D cost they had invested!

Didn't you see, people are robbing?

But at this time, no one came out to look for awkwardness.

Since September 10 and the National Day, the two sides have not reached an agreement.

After learning more about the project, the Pakistanis returned to China, ready to ask the head of the country's air force and other relevant personnel to come over to understand the situation, and finalize the contract when the time comes.

Even Ibrahim has already confirmed his itinerary, and he will lead a delegation to China to negotiate the purchase of anti-tank missiles and new tank armor-piercing shells after the 37th National Day of the founding of the People's Republic of China.

As a result, the Egyptians are still arguing with the Chinese side.

In the school, Chen Mingshan's anger has reached the point where he can't be restrained.

But Xie Kai was also helpless.

He proposed that Zheng Yucheng and them talk to the Egyptians and go back to school by themselves, but the Egyptians did not agree.

can only accept the angry scolding of the head of the department once in a while......

"$10 million, 80. After another round of suspension, the two sides privately pulled friendship, talked about friendship or something, and started negotiations again, and the Chinese side made concessions again, "40 of which are produced by the Chinese side, and the remaining 40 are ......assembled by the Chinese side on the production line in Egypt."

This is the minimum condition that the Chinese side can accept after consultation.

It is also the bottom line that Xie Kai set up from the beginning.

The Egyptians also knew that this was almost the bottom line of the Chinese side, and they did not make a direct counteroffer, but bound other conditions.

"This price we can convince the country to accept. However, there is one thing that we hope you will agree to......" Muhanad said earnestly.

While speaking, he has been observing the reaction of the Chinese personnel.

This request is actually a bit excessive.

Zheng Yucheng and others were indeed angry, the Egyptians were too aggressive.

Xie Kai held back his anger and looked at Muhanad, "Mr. Minister, what else do you want?"

"359 tank production line!" The Egyptians are no longer implicit, "we need 359 tanks, and the cost cannot be too high......"

"Say it earlier!" Zheng Yucheng immediately became happy.

The Egyptians are sending money to 404, how can they not be happy?

"But ......" instantly thought of his gaffe, Zheng Yucheng hurriedly restrained himself, "Your Excellency Minister, exporting tanks, it's not a big problem, but the production line is ......"

"If you do not agree to sell the production line, we refuse to accept the agreed price for the introduction of the Super-7A. "Aliaf's attitude is resolute. "In terms of tanks, at a price of $1.95 million each, we purchase 300 units......!

"$1.95 million, sir, are you kidding?" Xie Kai kept scolding Mubara in his heart.

Definitely this grandson, otherwise the Egyptians would not have given such an embarrassing price.

There is also a special production line, so that China can help build an assembly plant and provide technical support.

"No, we are well aware of the price at which your country exported 359 tanks. "This price is already very reasonable......

"No!" Under Zheng Yucheng's expression, Xie Kai resolutely said no.

If it's just a purchase, this price is barely acceptable.

The output went up and the cost went down.

The problem is that the other side asked the Chinese side to help build a tank factory.

"Your Excellency, at this price, 300 vehicles, to provide a production line, there is no possibility. At the end of 1984, your Ministry of Defence and War Products announced that it would invest $216 million in the development of your main battle tanks. In November of the same year, the General Products Division of the American company Taylordyne Continental received a contract from your country to renovate Soviet-made T-54 tanks for your country, and the contract was executed in the United States, right?"

What Xie Kai said, Zheng Yucheng and others didn't know.

The Egyptians were stunned.

Does the Chinese pay attention to this?

"Just to retrofit thousands of T54 tanks in your country, there is a budget of $216 million for the design. Xie Kai continued.

Zheng Yucheng and others finally understood that the Egyptians came to buy the fighter production line, which was incidental.

From China to get the transformation technology and production line of the 359 tank, this is their purpose.

The 59 tank is an imitation of the Soviet T54A tank.

The 359 tank, in essence, is still an improved version of the 59 tank.

This kind of tank, in the history of the development of the world's tanks, is the largest number of tanks ever produced, according to incomplete statistics, the number of T54/55 tanks produced in the world has reached 86,000~100,000.

This is a staggering statistic.

This is a truly successful tank of the century, without one.

It is also because of the existence of this tank that it fought with Western countries in the Middle East, which directly contributed to the birth of the Western M60 tank.

359 tank, almost the ultimate version of the 59 tank modification.

Xie Kai's plan was also made by integrating many modifications of China, which had the most modifications of the 59 tank and had been in service for the longest time.

Such tanks, in the Middle East, are not a small number.

Getting the modification technology will allow the tanks of all Middle Eastern countries to increase their performance several times for a small amount of money.

Egypt also happens to have good relations with countries in the Middle East that used to buy Soviet tanks.

After thinking about all this, I understand the purpose of the Egyptians to get the 359 tank production line.

How can Xie Kai tolerate the fact that they only purchased 300 tanks and obtained the technology for less than $600 million?

"Do you know our plan?" Muhanad asked Xie Kai with the corners of his mouth twitching.

"Your plan, on the one hand, is to use the components of the American M60 tank to modify the T-54 tank to enhance combat capability, and on the other hand, to maximize the common parts between the Egyptian Soviet-style T-54 tank and the American M60 tank. Isn't that right? Or is your country's plan more appropriately described as 59 Bartons?" Xie Kai's words were full of bad taste.

This is the tank that exists in a game called World of Tanks that he once played, 59 Barton.

That is, a combination of the Chinese 59 tank and the American Patton tank.

Muhanad looked at Xie Kai with a look of disbelief.

This plan has been criticized by many people, and they are embarrassed to publicize it all over the world.

How exactly do the Chinese know?

"Mr. Minister, the Americans can get $150 million just by helping you transform the technology of the T54, which can equip the power system from Germany and the artillery from the United States. And our 359 tanks, you only purchased 300 units, each price is only 1.95 million US dollars, you want to get the technology, is it appropriate? This is the most advanced tank in the world, although the tonnage cannot be compared with the American M60A3 and M1......" Xie Kai's questioning made the Egyptians even more speechless.

"Is this true?" Zheng Yucheng asked Xie Kai angrily.

Xie Kai did not speak, just stared at the Egyptian.

Muhanad didn't expect it to be more than they imagined, "Thanks, we don't need too many tanks......"

"According to the purchase quantity of 300 vehicles, there is no problem. But the other conditions need to be changed. The purchase price of 359 tanks must be $2.2 million per unit. In addition, $200 million will be paid for the use of the technology. Xie Kai sharpened the butcher's knife for several days, and finally raised it and fell.

Whether to be slaughtered or not, it depends on what the Egyptians think.

Zheng Yucheng and the others almost gasped.

Xie Kai's knife was too hard.

When Pakistan got the technology, it only paid $50 million for the use of the technology.

To the Egyptians, it will be 200 million?

The equipment related to the production line, which is not free, has to spend money to purchase from China.

"Your conditions are too unacceptable...... Ariaf said angrily.

200 million US dollars, buying a tank to improve technology, is really not cost-effective.

"There is no room for negotiation in this matter. If you want to bind the cooperation of the Super Seven project to the 359 tank, then you must pay the corresponding cost. We don't compromise our own interests for the sake of a project. Once you get the manufacturing technology of the 359 tank, just in the Middle East, there will be tens of thousands of T54 tanks improved, this business, how much profit can be brought, we are not fools......"

By now, the face is torn, and there is no need to care about face.

Shekai was not afraid that the Egyptians would not agree.

Now the Egyptians have not purchased a large number of M60 Patton tanks from the United States, according to the cooperation with the United States in later generations, especially after the United States helped to come up with the 59 Patton plan, Egypt purchased 400 M60A1 and 1300 M60A3 from the United States!

At most, 400 M60A1 have been purchased, and if the commonality of some spare parts for T54 and M60 tanks cannot be completed, it will be difficult to purchase them in the future.

"Xie Kai, isn't this condition too high? Our 359 tanks, with the increase in production quantity, the cost has dropped a lot. Zheng Yucheng was worried that the Egyptians would be frightened by such conditions, and eventually canceled the cooperation.

"Uncle Zheng, don't worry. Their purpose was to run for the improved technology of the 359 tank. Xie Kai explained.

"How can you be so sure?" Xie Jianguo was really annoyed by his son.

It seems that he alone knows about the major events in the world.

It's not clear what is going on.

"Egypt is cooperating with the United States, in order to develop their country's main battle tanks, the Ministry of Defense and War Products did allocate more than 200 million dollars, and the Americans took 150 million US dollars, in fact, in order to install the American M68 tank guns used on the Patton on the T54 tank, the German 1200 horsepower engine, etc...... For this design alone, $150 million was paid. 359 tanks run caliber, that's 125 mm!"

As soon as Xie Kai said this, he was angry.

When China's technology is cheap?

"Xie Kai, have you thought about it, according to our conditions, the total turnover of the fighter production line plus the tank production line will exceed 1.6 billion US dollars. Xie Jianguo reminded Xie Kai, "Egypt's economy is not too strong, and it may not be able to afford to pay so much on this." ”