"So, Minister Meng also disagrees with Professor Gao's views?"

Xie Wenchun sensitively heard the subtext in Meng Fanze's words. The name Gao Lei has always been tied to the theory of international cooperation, Meng Fanze said that he was not grounded, and said that he could not engage in industry according to his opinions, obviously opposed not only Gao Lei himself, but opposed to the theory of international cooperation he represented. As the leader of the Planning Commission, Xie Wenchun is a person specifically responsible for formulating the state's industrial policy, so he is naturally more concerned about this issue.

Meng Fanze was not shy about stating his opinions, he said: "I have talked to many comrades on the industrial front about the theory of international cooperation put forward by Gao Lei, and they have reservations about this theory. How can we not engage in our own equipment manufacturing industry in such a big country? Gao Lei proposed that if we are stuck in the neck, what should we do?"

However, the state is now also mentioning cooperation with the West, and peace is the mainstream of the future, and some comrades believe that it is completely unnecessary to worry about being stuck in the neck. Xie Wenchun said with a smile, his smile reflecting his thoughts, that is, he did not agree with this statement.

Meng Fanze said: "World peace is the goal we pursue, but if we don't want to pursue it, it will definitely be achieved." The President has said that if we seek peace through struggle, we will live in peace, and if we seek peace through compromise, we will die peacefully. If we give up our industrial base and blindly rely on foreigners to give us industrial equipment, then there will be no real peace in this world, unless we are willing to colonize foreign countries. ”

This statement is a bit out of place now. Xie Wenchun reminded with a smile.

Meng Fanze also smiled, and he said: "I was originally an old man, and it is normal to be out of place." Well, how about I get you a young man and listen to his opinion?"

"That's great. Xie Wenchun said.

Feng Xiaochen was called over, Meng Fanze introduced him and Xie Wenchun to each other, Feng Xiaochen hurriedly nodded to Xie Wenchun, Xie Wenchun waved his hand and said: "No formality, Minister Meng said that you have some high opinions on the issue of international cooperation, can you please give me advice." ”

Feng Xiaochen said: "Minister Meng and Director Xie are too exalted to me, how can I have any high opinions, just a few words of nonsense, please don't mind Director Xie." ”

Meng Fanze said: "Xiao Feng, Director Xie asked you to speak, and you just said that the last time you were there with me, you spoke very well." Our style is to know everything and not do anything. ”

"Uh...... I'm a little scared. Feng Xiaochen pretended to be a little shy, but everyone could clearly see that he did not have any cowardice in his heart, and it was impossible for a person who was really timid in front of the leader to behave like this.

Xie Wenchun did not make any detours, he briefly recounted what he had just said to Meng Fanze, and then said: "Comrade Xiao Feng, some people think that the viewpoint of international struggle is somewhat outdated, and China should be thoroughly integrated into the international community, what do you think about this issue?"

"Is this a problem?" Feng Xiaochen thought for a while and said with a smile: "For the time being, the viewpoint of international struggle is indeed a bit outdated. ”

Xie Wenchun was a little crying and laughing, and said, "What is this, what is it to come and see it temporarily?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "There are no eternal friends in the world, and there are no eternal enemies. Since the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the United States, China's relations with the West as a whole have improved in an all-round way, and we are now in a honeymoon period. ”

"Honeymoon period, that's an interesting idea. Xie Wenchun smiled, "So, why do you say temporary?"

Feng Xiaochen said: "After all, there is a contradiction between China and the West in terms of consciousness and form. If China cannot change itself in the same way as the West, sooner or later, the West will once again offer the big stick of sanctions against China. In fact, even today, Batumi's restrictions on China have not been lifted, and China is still unable to obtain high-tech equipment from the West, which shows that Western countries have not forgotten to be wary of China for a moment. ”

"Well, there's some truth to that. Xie Wenchun said, and then he threw out a more pointed question, asking: "So according to your statement, if China completely abandons the current social system, will the West no longer be wary of us?"

"Of course not!" replied Feng Xiaochen without hesitation, "whether China abandons the current system or not, it is impossible for the West to cooperate with us sincerely." The contradiction between China and the West is ostensibly a struggle of systems, but in essence, it is a conflict of interests. ”

Hearing Feng Xiaochen's words, Xie Wenchun turned his head to look at Meng Fanze, and saw a relieved smile on the old man's face. Xie Wenchun also smiled slightly, turned back to Feng Xiaochen and said: "Your words are getting more and more interesting, can you tell me, why is the contradiction between us and the West essentially a conflict of interests?"

"Between countries, there are only interests, not isms. Feng Xiaochen said, "During World War II, the United States and the Soviet Union also joined forces to deal with the threat of fascism. After the war, although the international situation was a struggle between the East and the West, there was also a struggle within the Western countries. The countries of Western Europe established the European Community in order to counter the hegemony of the United States. Japan, as a protectorate of the United States, is gradually encroaching on the American market economically, and contradictions between them are gradually accumulating.

A few months ago, the Plaza Agreement signed by the five Western countries at the Plaza Hotel in New York was essentially aimed at suppressing Japan's trade advantage. To put it in layman's terms, the United States is using its hegemony to forcibly shear Japan's wool, and Japan can only swallow its anger and accept this unreasonable arrangement.

Western countries are still fighting each other for economic interests, not to mention their relations with China? The purpose of Western countries is to make China a market for their products and a supplier of cheap labor, and a strong and competitive China is something they do not want to see. Therefore, if China is not strong, it is enough, and once it becomes strong, or even if there are signs of becoming strong, it will inevitably be blocked by the West. ”

"Sure enough, it's insightful. ”

After listening to Feng Xiaochen's grand remarks, Xie Wenchun nodded and praised. Feng Xiaochen's views are not particularly novel to officials of Xie Wenchun's level. Don't look at the fact that some officials are full of the same world when they speak, but who is not a human spirit who is really crawling up in the practice department? Xie Wenchun sighed that with Feng Xiaochen's age, he actually has such knowledge, and it is very difficult. Nowadays, many people in China believe in the world in their hearts, or the so-called universal values, such as Gao Lei is one of them, Feng Xiaochen's understanding seems a little different.

Of course he didn't know that Feng Xiaochen had such an understanding, not because he was smarter than others, but because he had experience in later generations. China in the 80s did once fantasize about world unity, but then a series of events made the Chinese understand that no country in the world is reliable, and China's affairs can only rely on China itself. What Feng Xiaochen said, at the beginning of the 21st century, is basically common sense.

"I heard that you are a graduate student in the Academy of Social Sciences, and Professor Gao is also a teacher in the Academy of Social Sciences, are you denying the teacher's point of view?"

After sighing, Xie Wenchun teased with a smile.

Feng Xiaochen's eyes widened, and he said with a cute face: "I didn't deny Teacher Gao's point of view." I think Mr. Gao's point of view is reasonable, our coastal open cities can be under the guidance of Mr. Gao's theory, engage in big inflows and big outflows, and accumulate funds. If we want to develop the equipment manufacturing industry, capital is a big problem. In the past, we closed off the country, refused to accept international industrial transfer, and cheapened the benefits of the four tigers, now we should change our concept, and it is not a shame to engage in two ends outside, and it is the king to make money. ”

Of course, Xie Wenchun knew that Feng Xiaochen was secretly changing the concept, and he said: "However, Professor Gao's opinion is that we should give up the equipment manufacturing industry and go all out to engage in the export processing industry, which is different from your point of view." ”

Feng Xiaochen sighed falsely and said, "Alas, what can be done?" We Chinese are too many, and if we are all engaged in export processing industry, I am afraid that developed countries will not be able to afford it." Take TV sets as an example, there are almost 200 TV factories built in China nowadays, and if they are produced at full capacity, the annual output is enough for the world to use for 10 years. With so many people, it is definitely not enough to engage in the export processing industry alone, there must be some people to do something else, such as our equipment manufacturing industry or something. ”

"Haha, that's a good reason. Xie Wenchun laughed, and Gao Lei, who was attracting Luo Xiang Feixu and the snake over there, also turned his gaze.

"Director Xie, what are you talking about, why are you so happy?" Gao Lei walked over and asked with a smile. He was chatting with Luo Xiangfei just now, but he was really not speculative, and he couldn't talk anymore, so he was anxious to find a way to get out.

Xie Wenchun pointed at Feng Xiaochen with his finger and said, "Professor Gao, I was listening to your high-footed classmate Feng talk about his thoughts just now, and he also highly admires the theory of international cooperation you proposed. ”

"Really?" A cold light flashed in Gao Lei's eyes, he looked at Feng Xiaochen and asked, "What, you are also from the Academy of Social Sciences, whose student are you?"

Feng Xiaochen secretly complained in his heart, he just wanted to stand out for the heavy equipment, and directly scolded Gao Lei. The purpose of Xie Wenchun's words was to explain him and save Gao Lei from hating him. But with Feng Xiaochen's understanding of Gao Lei, he knew that Xie Wenchun's efforts would not be effective, Gao Lei was already very inflated, and he couldn't allow others to challenge him, and if he offended him, he would definitely find fault and take revenge. Xie Wenchun didn't point out that he was a student of the Academy of Social Sciences, but maybe Gao Lei would forget about it in a few days. Now that he knows that he is a student of the Academy of Social Sciences, doesn't he want to find an opportunity to wear small shoes for himself in the future?