"Mr. Sha, this is your understanding of the word "state-owned enterprises" involving people's livelihood?" Wang Fan still refused to give up.

"Well, there are some things that need to be added, involving our state-owned enterprise employees, if the attributes of the enterprise are becoming more and more important, and even the national attributes and social attributes are gradually stripped, then should they make some compensation for their previous efforts, such as the enterprise is now completely pushed to the market, to be in line with the market economy, but the original workers can not adapt in the short term, may face various problems. ”

When Sha Zhengyang talked about this issue, he was extremely serious and extraordinarily serious.

In the previous life, from 1998 to 2002, the reform of state-owned enterprises has indeed made great achievements, which can be described as a phoenix nirvana.

Without this round of state-owned enterprise reform, there will be no foundation for China's economy to improve in the future.

But realistically, the state still falls short when it comes to considering its negative impacts.

This may be the limitation of the times, no one has ever encountered this situation, in Sha Zhengyang's current view, from the people's livelihood level of policy and social security, could have done better.

"Laid-off unemployed, salary cuts, re-skilled training, this kind of role transformation for the psychological impact of individual workers, the impact on their families, combined may bring a huge impact on the whole society, this is not a small problem, but a very complex and huge systemic problem, the central government needs to seriously and seriously consider, need to delineate a bottom line for them to maintain their survival and dignity, this bottom line should be guaranteed by the central government. ”

This is another deafening point of view, which has gone far beyond the perspective of being an enterprise, and has risen to a fairly high height, from the height of the country, from the height of the center!

seemed to notice that his topic was off, and Sha Zhengyang took it slightly.

"I'm sorry, I'm a little excited, and the topic is a little far, mainly because Changchuan Industrial (Group) Co., Ltd., where I work, is about to face such a huge challenge. Once the integration of the three major coal industries is completed, the number of employees of Changchuan Industrial will exceed 10,000, and the competition for the management team is only the first step, and as far as I know, all the teams involved in the competition have proposed measures to reduce staff and increase efficiency, and eliminate redundant personnel, and the minimum standard is to lay off more than 20 percent, which means that more than 2,500 employees will have to leave their existing jobs, and the pillars of 2,500 families have lost their income, so how much impact will this have on these 2,500 families？”

"If there is no institutional and systematic policy to ensure the bottom line, and there is no practical plan to solve the problem of their future employment and survival, this will greatly damage the prestige and image of our party and government in such a huge group as them and even the family members behind them, and will also bring tremendous pressure on the stability of the whole society, which should not be underestimated. ”

"This is the people's livelihood issue you mentioned?" Chu Yulin nodded and asked, "Do you think the government should do more in this regard?"

"Well, when it comes to a huge group, that is, people's livelihood issues, their interests will be harmed, although this is for better in the future, but the reality in front of them is that their interests have been damaged, so how can the state help them get out of the predicament, avoid the intensification of social contradictions, and get through this transition period as smoothly as possible, this is very critical. ”

Sha Zhengyang raised his head, as if thinking about something, "So we also mentioned this in the competition regulations, the more jobs can be provided, that is, the plan that can digest and absorb more jobs and avoid layoffs, the better the score will be, of course, this will definitely conflict with the revenue and profit targets you set in the plan, it depends on how your team achieves the best balance." ”

*******

Leaving Sha Zhengyang's office, Chu Yulin and Wang Fan returned to the hotel where they were and began to sort out their respective interview materials.

I've been in Handu for more than a week, and I originally thought that an article that could be completed in three or five days seems to be getting bigger and bigger, and the topic is becoming more and more sensitive.

That's a good thing, but it also means it's harder.

High sensitivity makes it easier to attract attention, but it also means that the more scrutiny you have to endure, how to grasp this scale is a test of the political wisdom of the operator.

Dongyuan Hotel is the hotel set every time Chu Yulin and Wang Fan come to Handu.

Although it is a three-star hotel, because the geographical location is a little biased, it is located in the eastern suburbs, so the passenger flow is not large, the environment is relatively quiet, and the service quality is also good, which has become the most important point for Chu Yulin and Wang Fan.

Chu Yulin silently listened to the content recorded in the recorder twice selectively, and then began to look for key fragments in his notebook to summarize, and then chewed on some important golden sentences and words to understand their meanings.

Doing such an interview with strong political significance needs to be tempered and carefully considered.

Because the interviewee is impromptu according to his own questions, then it is inevitable that there will be personal emotions and tendencies on some topics, if it does not affect the principle, of course, it can be used, but if it may bring some unnecessary misunderstanding of the statement, it is necessary to re-embellish, find some more constructive and positive sentences to replace, of course, this also needs to be agreed by the interviewee.

Wang Fan works in a slightly different way.

He attaches more importance to what he has recorded, especially the questions he has specially considered, and the answers to the questions that are quite personalized or special are the ones he values the most.

The kind of conventional topic answers that follow the crowd, he is not interested, this can be obtained in anyone's mouth, some people are even much higher than Sha Zhengyang's level, and the topicality is much stronger, but the answer is not new, then it is meaningless.

Wang Fan and Chu Yulin both have their own focus during the interview, Wang Fan is more inclined to some sharp and controversial questions and topics, and will also try to guide the other party's answers, looking for some more impactful and challenging answers, which is also a more in-depth article written by the duo.

Chu Yulin's questions are more about political correctness and breadth to ensure that the article can be published, otherwise as a reporter of Xinhua News Agency, you will not even be able to do this, I am afraid that you will not even be able to get such an interview opportunity for you to let alone the article in the media.

Therefore, the combination of Chu Yulin and Wang Fan combined very well, and took this degree well, which finally made the two feel like a gold medal combination.

Seeing that Wang Fan was biting the pen again, this was a manifestation of Wang Fan falling into a state of deep thought, Chu Yulin smiled, there is often this kind of action, which means that what is finally obtained in this interview will definitely be topical and impactful.

Chu Yulin likes this kind of result, mediocre things can be found anywhere, three hundred and sixty-five days a year, the two of them spend most of their time looking for good themes, but in a year, there are only two or three things that can really stir up shocks and arguments, which is quite rare, and sometimes it is rare to encounter a good subject matter over the years, and it is even more difficult to encounter a good subject but can finally be successfully published.

But this time, Chu Yulin felt that there was a chance to impact and win praise for the two of them again.

My partner has a high level of impact in creating topics, but whether I can ensure that I can just step on this line and get published, it depends on my ability to grasp the rhythm scale.

Before coming to the interview, Chu Yulin and Wang Fan also made sufficient preparations, otherwise they would not have come.

Once the youngest deputy director-level cadre and the youngest county magistrate in Hanchuan Province, he created the largest non-state-owned enterprise group in Hanchuan Province - Dongfanghong Group, and also promoted the restructuring of the enterprise, and now has become a member of the team of the largest state-owned enterprise group in Hanchuan Province.

One of these titles falls on someone, which is already rare, but it falls on one person, which can't help but make people look sideways.

"Afan, how is it, this time the topic is good, right?"

Chu Yulin is a native of Guangdong, and although he has lived in Yanjing for many years and his accent has changed, he still likes to follow the style of his hometown in terms of title, which he feels is more intimate.

"Brother Chu, it's not good, but it's very good, I haven't met such a sharp character for a few years, not only is he detached, but he also dares to say it. ”

Wang Fan kept marking with the pen in his hand, adding some content, some of which were his own additions, and some of which were narration introductions.

"I really dare to say that I have talked with You Wangang and Zhong Guangbiao before, and they are both a little worried that this Sha Zhengyang's language is too sharp, so they have repeatedly asked them to review it before publishing, and I agreed, but this time, I may have to disappoint them. A smug smile appeared on the corner of Chu Yulin's mouth.

"Oh, Brother Chu plans to risk offending Hanchuan Province?"

Wang Fan raised his eyebrows, it seems that there have been no better results in the past two or three years, so Brother Chu is a little unbearable, and now he finally encounters an opportunity, of course, he has to give full play to it.

"It's not offended, right?" Chu Yulin's eyes narrowed slightly, and the corners of his eyes were a little colder, "I have asked Sha Zhengyang himself for his opinion, he doesn't think his own views are anything against the law, even if some opinions may be a little controversial, but he also agrees with my point of view, that is, controversy can attract the attention and attention of the above, and he thinks it is worth it." ”

Chu Yulin's last sentence was also much deeper, and his expression was more serious and solemn.

Wang Fan was a little surprised, and Chu Yulin continued: "There are too few young cadres who are so bold and dare to take responsibility. ”