In reality, there are many similar situations in the question raised by Mr. Zhuang, and extreme cases are not uncommon. Bi Xuecheng scratched his head and said: "I've really seen this kind of thing, I saw it at the entrance of the shopping mall outside the school last year, but no one took a knife, and a boy knelt on one knee in front of a girl with a bouquet of flowers, claiming that he wouldn't get up if he didn't accept him." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Oh, what were the people next to me doing at that time?"

Bi Xuecheng: "They are all coaxing, they are all shouting to promise him! Then the two hugged each other and kissed, and everyone applauded warmly." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "The specific situation is not clear, maybe they discussed it in advance." Let's not talk about this for now, back to my question, what would you do in the dormitory, and do you persuade your classmates to do the same?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Of course not. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Why, because you also like that boy?"

Bi Xuecheng hurriedly shook his head and said: "Of course not, your guess is too outrageous! Whether or not to accept it is the choice that the girl herself is qualified to make, and it is she herself who has to bear the consequences of her choice."

You have just said that she doesn't like that boy in the first place, so what qualifications do I have to persuade her to choose someone she doesn't like, and to pay emotional and physical closeness and even affection to the other person? This is not in line with conscience!

Someone may try to be quick talking, and there to persuade a girl to accept a boy, and if the girl has to accept a boy for whatever reason, they may applaud. But they don't have to pay the price of that choice, and they don't have to bear the responsibility for this behavior, because it's not them who want to have sex with that boy.

In fact, judging from the boy's behavior, he is coercing people with a knife, who of us likes to be coerced with a knife? He doesn't want the girl to follow her heart to make a choice, and she has to accept it with a knife to coerce her.

If in this case, I still have to persuade the girl to accept it, it is equivalent to that I have made a choice in the conflict of values, and I have chosen to agree with the behavior of courtship that can be coerced with a knife. Not to mention conscience, this is contrary to the perception of normal people. ”

Ding Qi nodded and said, "You can see it." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou asked again: "But the boy didn't point a knife at the girl, he just pointed a knife at himself." If he doesn't get that girl's love, he would rather die, how unforgettable! In your opinion, shouldn't that girl be moved or moved?"

At this time, Ye Yanxing interjected sullenly: "Mr. Zhuang, have you seen too much?"

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Don't talk nonsense! This is asking a question. ”

Ye Yanxing: "This feels like he is kidnapping a hostage to negotiate conditions, but the hostage he kidnapped is himself, and the condition for negotiation is to get the other party." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Your thinking has always been clear, this metaphor is quite interesting, but isn't the condition he talked about to make the other party accept his love?"

Ye Yanxing muttered: "What does it mean to accept his love? That little thing between men and women, he just wants to get that girl and satisfy his own **, don't do anything bad in the name of love!"

There were several coughs around, some people frowned, some people wanted to laugh and held back.

Zhuang Zhou still said unhurriedly: "Xiao Ye, although you don't talk much, you have always been very harsh. I'm giving you a very extreme example, but in most cases, maybe things are not so extreme, and it needs to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. Let's talk about the matter first, you're right, but I just asked Xiao Bi, and I want to hear how Xiao Bi answers. ”

Bi Xuecheng thought for a while, as if organizing the language in his heart, and then spoke: "I just thought about it for a long time, and I think there is a very important question. Why did that boy think that in this way he could make a girl change her mind and accept him? Cognitive patterns determine behavior patterns, I think I kind of figured it out, but I didn't fully understand it. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou nodded slightly and said, "You are finally a bit like your master! It doesn't matter if you don't understand it, say everything you can think of." ”

Bi Xuecheng pondered: "First of all, the first one, just like Mr. Zhuang just asked, he thought that he could impress the other party in this way. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Well, there is this possibility, what do you think?"

Bi Xuecheng: "It's not impressing, it's coercion and intimidation. If you don't promise me, I'll kill myself, and if I get hurt because of your refusal, that's your responsibility, that's the boy's logic. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "Well, what else?"

Bi Xuecheng: "There is another one that is actually similar, it is moral persecution and psychological pressure, people can't just watch another person die, especially because of themselves." If that happens, how much pressure does that have to be undergone?"

Zhuang Mengzhou: "What do you think?"

Bi Xuecheng: "If that's the case, it's terrible. Chasing girls, you can try to be nice to her, treat and give gifts, although I don't agree with unilateral kneeling and licking, but it's better than intimidation and coercion. ”

Xian Hao: "Mr. Zhuang didn't ask you how to chase girls, just talked about it." ”

Bi Xuecheng: "If I have to make a choice between value conflicts, I will definitely not agree with the boy's behavior, this is a prerequisite, and then it depends on how to deal with it." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "You just said two, what else?"

Bi Xuecheng said with a bitter face: "Also, there is another situation that the boy really got into the horns of the bull and fell into a state of paranoia, that is, he thinks that he can't live without that woman." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "What should I do then?"

Bi Xuecheng: "He should receive psychotherapy. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou: "If this is the case, can you persuade that girl to consider accepting him, maybe the two of them can really succeed?"

Bi Xuecheng shook his head and said: "What will that girl think, that's her business, Mr. Zhuang, you're asking me." I can't tell which case it is, but I would never approve of it, so I can't convince the girl to accept it. ”

Ye Yanxing suddenly said again: "If ten boys chase that girl like this, no matter what that girl does, she has to die nine, or even all of them! What can you do to persuade others, and all ten boys accept it? Even if they all accept it, it is estimated that those ten boys will not do it, and then point a knife at yourself and say that you can only accept me, what should the girl do?"

Tan Hanchuan couldn't help laughing, looked at Ye Yanxing and said, "Yes, your thinking is indeed clear, and you are indeed a very smart engineering student." When dealing with interpersonal problems, many people do not think of using this logical formula to refute the method, but in fact it is the most substantial. ”

Cui Shanhai also frowned and said: "If it is the isolated system of one-to-one between boys and girls, this problem cannot be deduced." From the point of view of mathematical logic, we can assume that a conclusion may be correct, but it can neither be proved or falsified by deduction.

But Xiao Ye did a good job, he expanded the system, introduced nine new variables, broke through the limitations of that isolated system, and deduced the correct conclusion through counter-proof, that is, it should not be accepted in this situation.

The specific interpretation is that the girl can accept it or not, but no matter what purpose she accepts the boy, it should not be for this reason. Because logically speaking, if you want to prevent death, the result will also bring death, the system is not self-consistent, and the conclusion is incorrect. ”

Xian Hao was surprised: "You actually use mathematics to solve it?"

Cui Shanhai sneered: "It's just to discuss it from a different angle, I see that they are talking lively, insert a few words." What is the principle of intelligence, and what is the basis of artificial intelligence that we are studying now? Its basis is mathematical logic. If someone still doesn't understand what I said, I can list the derivation process of the formula using logical notation. ”

Ding Qi: "I understand. If the system is not self-consistent, the program will collapse, but people are not computers, and the result may be a mental breakdown caused by inner conflict. ”

Zhu Shanxian coughed lightly: "I'll also interject a few words, in fact, I have encountered this extreme situation, and the parties are not not for courtship, but for asking for wages."

In the winter of the year when I first became the district chief, a few workers climbed onto the tower crane and claimed that they wanted to jump off because they were not paid, and they could not go home for the New Year. I rushed over with the fire, police, and ambulance, and I was able to persuade people to come down. ”

Shanny: "What the hell is going on, and how did you deal with it?"

Zhu Shanxian: "First of all, I advise them not to think about it, they can earn it again when the money is gone, but if their lives are gone, there will be nothing, it is not worth it." At the same time, I must promise to help them solve the problem as much as possible, and I called the person in charge of the engineering party. In fact, the employer has already paid for the project, but the subcontractor has not paid the workers.

I had to coordinate on the spot and ask the project party to give these workers another sum of money, so that they could go home for the New Year, and then this money would be deducted from the next project payment to the subcontractor, so that the matter could be temporarily resolved. Fortunately, the project is still under construction, it has not been completed, and the project payment has not been completed.

At that time, I had a second plan, if it really didn't work, I would take a little from the district's stability maintenance funds, bring the cash to the scene to lure those people down, and then go back and settle accounts with the debtors, as if the money was the wages advanced by the district for them. However, the effect of on-site coordination was not bad, and the second solution was not used. ”

Shi Buquan: "What happened later?"

Zhu Shanxian: "In those years, there were a lot of such things, and the negative impact on society was also very large. Later, the government took measures and formulated preventive policies, such as the allocation of project funds to designate a special relevant account to be supervised, and the monthly settlement system was strictly adopted for wages, which is very rare now, at least there is no such situation in Yuling District.

But at the time, I could understand why the workers were acting in extreme ways, they didn't really want to jump from the tower, they just wanted to get paid, but they were desperate and had nowhere to go. That's why they use this way to attract attention, so that the relevant departments have to pay attention to it and find a way to help them solve it. ”

Shi Buquan: "Lao Zhu, the situation you said is completely different from the example given by Mr. Zhuang, right? This time it's not that Mr. Zhuang is off topic!"

In the past, when everyone was discussing issues, it was often Zhuang Mengzhou who went off the rails as he spoke, but this time it was not. Zhu Shanxian said a little embarrassedly: "Yes, yes, yes, this time I digress! ”

Bi Xuecheng patted his thigh and said, "Uncle Zhu actually didn't go off topic, I suddenly figured it out." The same extreme behavior depends on whether the appeal is reasonable. It is only natural that workers should be paid for their work. But the boy's appeal is not natural, according to Ye's words and deeds, he has to get that girl in his hands and coerce the girl with a knife. ”

Tan Hanchuan: "Why didn't Lao Zhu go off topic? If you model the system according to Tan Gong's idea just now, and the workers have to get paid for their work, logically speaking, it is the basic public design of the system, which is self-evident! But whether the boy's appeal and the girl's choice are correct need to be deduced and proven. ”

Zhu Shanxian sighed and said, "I'm still not as rigorous as you in scientific research!"

Zhuang Mengzhou then asked: "What about that boy? He pointed a knife at himself, if the girl didn't accept his confession, he would die there, didn't you plan to save him? If you didn't persuade the girl to accept it, are you not kind enough?"

Bi Xuecheng: "Didn't you already make it very clear just now! Why did Mr. Zhuang still have to go back? No matter what that girl thinks, from my point of view, it is impossible to persuade her to accept it, otherwise I am not kind enough." I can only answer this way, because Mr. Zhuang is asking me. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou said with a smile: "In reality, if such a thing really happens, no matter how clearly you say, there will always be someone who will pull it back." If you have to go back and forth, it's not that you're confused, it only means that you're not upright enough, and that's how many people lose themselves for a while.

You're not bad, you finally remembered that the person I asked was you from beginning to end, neither the boy nor the girl, nor the other people who were watching, so if you have any ideas, you can continue to say. ”

Bi Xuecheng: "I finally understand what you mean. My attitude towards that girl has been clear, that is, I will not persuade her to accept it, this is a premise, and what to do in the rest of the things will not violate this premise.

What I just said was the attitude towards the girl, now let's talk about the attitude towards the boy. He may just be unable to think about it for a while, or he may have a psychological problem, such as cognitive impairment, and it is more likely that it is not a good thing.

But in this case, you really can't watch him die, you can persuade him or try to persuade him, it's best to find a way to let him put down the knife first, don't hurt himself, and then persuade him to make the Tao ideal clear, otherwise it will not be a good thing for anyone."

Ye Yanxing interjected again: "Senior brother, what you said is right. But in this question, you are a girl in the same dormitory, not the opponent of a big man with a knife, do you want to go downstairs to persuade him?

Since he can use a knife at himself, he is likely to use a knife at someone else, and you will definitely not say that he did the right thing, and he may be angry and stab you. And if he can take himself as a hostage, why can't he take you as a hostage? Even if he doesn't give you a knife, if he catches you and compares you with a knife, what do you call someone else?

If that were the case, the nature of the problem would be completely different, and you would not only harm him, but also you. Girls, don't come along!

What if he wants to rush into the dormitory building to find someone before he reaches his goal? The dormitory manager aunt may not be able to stop a guy with a knife, so quickly ask the dormitory manager to close the door just in case. People have taken out their knives, and you haven't called the police, do you think you are very capable?"

Bi Xuecheng: "I didn't say that I wouldn't call the police, nor did I say that I would go downstairs to persuade him, I just said that I should try my best to persuade and stop him, of course, I have to pay attention to ways and means." ”

Zhuang Mengzhou looked at Ye Yanxing with a smile and said, "Xiao Ye, you have a lot to talk about today." ”

Xian Hao coughed and said, "Ye Yanxing, you are deducing the scene." In fact, Mr. Zhuang just made an assumption, in fact, if such a thing really happens, the situation may be very complicated, and there are many accidents that cannot be assumed in advance, so he can only act on the opportunity. But what criteria should be followed to act on the so-called opportunistic basis? Different people are different.

The vast majority of things that actually happen in this world do not have a perfect solution, and in the end, they do not get a perfect solution. Mr. Zhuang asked this question, not to become a god and thus solve this conflict perfectly, but to let him make a choice in the conflict.

Through the choices made by Xiao Bi, through his inner attitude and code of conduct, we can see what kind of person he is, or who he is. ”

Zhu Shanxian muttered: "Senior Sister Xian is right, what actually happens is often very complicated, and it is not a simple and extreme assumption. For example, it was a couple who quarreled and broke up, or the girl gave up and kicked the boy to get along with someone else."

Tan Hanchuan interrupted: "Lao Zhu, you are off topic again." ”

Zhu Shanxian hurriedly nodded and said, "Yes, yes, yes, it's me who digressed again!"

Chen Rong said, "Let's go back to the question." Master, through Senior Brother Bi's questions and answers, can we know what kind of person he is?"

Ding Qi shook his head and said, "That's not necessarily!"

Bi Xuecheng asked with some grievances: "Why not?"

Ding Qi: "Because we are just talking, in this case, in the face of fellow disciples and all the elders, of course Xiao Bi will try his best to answer beautifully and rigorously, trying to get the approval of all of us."

We often see this situation, for example, when talking about something, what to do, what to do, some people say that the head is the Tao, and the idea is very good, but when it actually happens, it is not like that at all, and even the reaction is not reflected.

It is only in the actual situation that we can see what kind of person each person is, whether he is a good person, a smart person, or a worthy person.

But today's discussion is not without significance. For example, through Xiao Bi's answer, we can see what kind of person he wants to be, or what kind of person he wants us to think he is. As for whether it is or not, we can only see it then. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou smiled and waved his hand: "This is the end of my question, there is no need to discuss it anymore." If you remember what Master, Master, and everyone said, you may really meet in the future. ”

Zhuang Mengzhou's question was discussed. Shang Ni asked again: "Secretary Zhu, let's talk about the first time you killed someone, how did you do it at that time?"

Zhu Shanxian: "The process is very simple, as soon as he hit with a wrench, I lowered my waist and twisted my waist with a side kick, and I lifted him into the ditch." ”

Dingzi: "You didn't leave footprints on him, did you?"

Zhu Shanxian: "Of course not! Am I that stupid?"

Chen Rong suddenly sighed with emotion: "The one surnamed Su was originally going to harm others and himself, Senior Brother Zhu actually saved him and gave him the opportunity to rein in the precipice, but he couldn't see this at all, and in the end he killed himself." ”

Zhu Shanxian: "Teacher Ding said that everyone's body and mind are his own world, and his world is like that. ”

Chen Rong: "People can't be trapped in themselves, just rely on pure introspective experience, some questions can never be verified, first have to jump out of themselves, in order to recognize a clear self, and then in the introspection can be harmonious."

For example, if I can't do without the world of Qin Gaotai, I will never be able to understand the world of Qin Gaotai, and I will never be able to reveal the truth of Brother Tian's arrival. Even if I have a conclusion in my mind, I can't prove or falsify it. ”

Tintzy: "Your words reminded me of a theorem, Gödel's incompleteness theorem. ”

Cui Shanhai was surprised: "Teacher Ding is a mental health major, not a mathematics major, how could he learn this theorem?"

Tintze: "It's not in the textbooks of psychology, but when people criticize psychology, they often mention Gödel's incompleteness theorem. Because many of the theories put forward in psychology can neither prove to be true nor incorrect within the existing system of psychology. ”

Meng Hui said weakly, "Master, what are you talking about?"

Ding Qi: "If you are interested, you can check, learn, and think by yourself." It's not early today, and we have to go to work and school tomorrow, so let's go to rest. Mr. Zhuang, I still have a few questions I would like to ask privately, Senior Brother Zhu and Chen Rong, please leave the two of you as well. ”

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