"It's good to have a heart, as for the problem of lack of self-confidence, anyone will have it. Director Xie was more lenient with people, and said with a smile: "The high-tech technology of chip memory, not to mention you, even the two hospitals have a headache." ”

"It's really difficult, our chip manufacturing process is three or four generations behind developed countries. Academician Mei of the Chinese Academy of Sciences was very emotional, and said with a sad face: "If in the era of industrialization, steel is the "food" of industry, then in today's information age, "chips" are the "food" of modern industry. Our informationization construction completely depends on the introduction of grain and is controlled by others. ”

In the mid-70s of the last century, Peking University had one of the most advanced computers in the country, occupying two buildings with a total of five floors, but with a capacity of only 128K. Ten years later, Intel's technology level in Silicon Valley has been able to make a 128K capacity component on a chip, reducing the volume by 1 million times.

By 2015, the technical level can make 128G capacity on a chip, which is 1 million times the capacity reduction. It has shrunk by 1 trillion times in 40 years, and the 1 trillion times reduction is not the effort of one person or one company, but the contribution of the entire industrial chain, and the breakthrough of a large number of links and a large number of technologies.

At present, in China, whether it is the chip industry or the equipment industry, the main contradiction lies in asymmetric competition.

What is asymmetric competition? In terms of scale, the difference between the volume of outstanding domestic companies and those of outstanding foreign companies is 10 to 20 times. In addition, there is asymmetry of market share, asymmetry of domestic and foreign markets, asymmetry of entry thresholds, asymmetry of human resources, asymmetry of R&D funds, etc., in short, there is a huge gap between the two sides.

"With all these asymmetricalities, I don't think we can rely on the market mechanism alone. Hang Yu said: "To put it bluntly, the market mechanism is to do what you want today, don't do what you don't want, do what you make money, and don't do what you don't make money." It is impossible to eliminate asymmetry by relying on a single company, including the operation of capital for profit. There must be funds, talents, and policies. Not only must we have all three aspects, but we must also have a balance, and we must not have short legs, so that we can compete with developed countries. ”

Why was the market economy able to disintegrate the Soviet Union in those years? It was not that the planned economy was too rubbish, but that the existing level of science and technology was not enough to control the massive economy, so it was simply allowed to develop.

However, if the level of science and technology reaches a certain level in the future, such as the invention of Skynet in "Terminator", with the computing power of Skynet, maybe the planned economy can be fully implemented.

Of course, this kind of planned economy is not a big pot of rice, but on the basis of each doing its own thing, "Skynet" exercises subtle control over them, and controls them to a small commissary.

For example, the owner of the commissary is not smart, he doesn't know where to buy goods to save money, where to open a store most efficiently, how to place the goods, etc. Skynet, which has super high computing power, can accurately answer his questions.

Another example is the college entrance examination, now we fill in the college entrance examination volunteers, most of them are filled in according to their own level, hobbies and analysis. However, this way of filling in the volunteers, in the end, it is actually difficult to match.

If there is a high-tech like Skynet, it can be accurate to everyone, and Skynet can calculate which professional industries are more lacking after graduating from college, and can screen the best choice for him according to his results in various subjects.

There are also some investments that are actually short-sighted and harmful, and if they are left to play freely, they are easy to cause greater economic losses. These losses can be avoided if they can be precisely controlled.

If the state "controls" the economy and its citizens to such a subtle degree, and is effective, and controls it more accurately than free action, then who can say that planning is not as good as freedom.

Therefore, it is not that planning is not as good as freedom, but that the level of technology is not strong enough.

At present, what can be controlled, such as some high-tech industries, the state must make efforts. Instead of blindly believing in the free economy of the West, that's all bullshit, the United States is the least economically free country in the world.

"I think what Yunshan said is very reasonable, when it is time to make a move, such a high-end technology and technology, regardless of the means, but also to get out, the market economy is a joke. Director Xie said.

"Don't worry, we're already working hard and we're not going to let our opponent choke our neck. Minister Chen said.

"It's not enough to rely on the two houses, there must be enterprises like Jiang Yan and ZTE involved. We take the lead, and they can at least carry a leg to supplement the industrial chain and technology. Director Xie said.

"It's not enough. Hang Yu said: "In addition to capital, there must also be low-interest loans. TSMC borrows $4 billion a year at an interest rate of only 1 percent, which is a significant factor in its success. However, the interest rate of borrowing at least 6 or 7 percent in China must also be collateralized, and the capital company alone cannot transfer it. ”

Hang Yu had a deep understanding of the problem of excessively high loan interest rates.

For a large enterprise like Jiangyan Company, if you don't lend, you won't lend, and a loan is hundreds of millions of funds. Moreover, the profit cycle of large projects is relatively long, with loans of hundreds of millions, and when the project is profitable, the gross profit may not be able to exchange interest.

If it weren't for the micro-payment after that, Hang Yu would still have to rely on loans to live.

"Capital is a necessary condition, but it is not a sufficient condition. The most important thing in the sufficient conditions is people, and if there is no team and technology, no amount of money is useless. Guo Haochong said.

"Yes, there is also a shortage of people in the two institutes, and it is difficult to bring in talents from developed countries. Director Xie said.

"Look at you, what you just said is good, and it will become a grievance meeting in a while. Minister Chen said dissatisfiedly: "Who doesn't know the lack of talent and funds, the solution is people's imagination." ”

Hang Yu and the others looked at each other and smiled bitterly, and the old cadre spoke like this.

"According to me, in fact, we do not lack talent funds, what we lack is unity. President Ma suddenly spoke, immediately attracting everyone's attention, he is better at saying beautiful things than Hang Yu.

"Go on. Minister Chen said.

"Our current situation is that there is a shortage of money for technology, there is a shortage of technology for those who have money, and there is a mismatch of resources. More efforts should be made to invest in teams that have the technology, preferably with capital to integrate them. President President Ma said: "We lack talent and talent is not short of talent, because the number of cutting-edge talents in our country is indeed less, not lacking, because they are actually enough, but too scattered." ”

"If we can bring together scattered talents, we can definitely achieve our goals. President Ma said.

"It makes sense that integrating talent is a very important link. Director Xie said.