Du smiled slightly, his face calm. glanced around at the Standing Committee members. "I have thought a little about the reform of the state-owned enterprise system that we have been doing for so many years. As for the question that Minister Rue Xiang just mentioned. In particular, I would like to explain that there may be some misunderstandings about some things. ”

The eyes of the surroundings were already focused on his face, Xiao Zhen said unhurriedly: "Let me first mention the problem of state-owned enterprises, from the beginning of the reform, we did not really consider the issue of state-owned enterprises that have property rights. Therefore, we simply delegate power and make profits, and there are methods such as the contract system to solve the problems of state-owned enterprises, and practice has proved that these methods can only be a painkiller and a shot in the arm at most. We can only solve temporary problems, and there is no way to solve the long-term problems of state-owned enterprises, and at the beginning of this year, we have come to realize more and more that in order for state-owned enterprises to truly develop, they must solve the problem of their property rights. In this regard, the issue of managers of state-owned enterprises is actually a very important issue. Over the past few years. I think there is a basic consensus in our mainstream economics community and government policy departments, what is this consensus? That is, the operators of state-owned enterprises should give a sufficiently high incentive, which can be in the form of bonuses, annual salaries, and more importantly, in the form of equity, which may be in the form of options or directly in the form of allowing him to purchase and possess a part of the equity. I guess that's a basic consensus. What I want to talk about here is that we are now often prone to regard the issue of rewards and incentives for managers of state-owned enterprises as a mere issue of their personal treatment, which is not the case in essence, but for the benefit of the state and the enterprise. for the benefit of the whole nation. ”

Xiao Zhen suddenly raised the nature of the problem, and the Standing Committee members were a little skeptical, what does this mean, and what national policy should be used to justify themselves?

But Xiao Zhen did not do as they expected, but analyzed: "I especially want to say something. We should attach greater importance to the issue of the selection mechanism for managers of state-owned enterprises. But at the same time, I think that the core problem of SOEs is not the problem of managers, but the problem of owners. If we agree that the managers of state-owned enterprises are highly paid, in order to make them work well, are these people who choose managers motivated to really engage in these people? I am skeptical, and I have summarized one issue in the past before selecting Li Liwei as the general manager of Far Eastern Rare Gold, the manager of a state-owned enterprise. How do you stabilize your position? We know that in the West, the better your company is and the more money you make for shareholders, the more stable your position will be. But now our state-owned enterprises are not like this, the best way for you to sit in a firm position is to make this enterprise not dead or alive, you can't let him make too much money, you can't let him make too much money, the government may change to a more "level, the general manager comes, lose too much money, then of course you have to be transferred, this is our basic form. Many large state-owned enterprises have done an excellent job because the general manager is very reform-minded, and he can solve the incentive mechanism for the employees below, but no one has solved the incentive mechanism for him. Therefore, under the state-owned system, managers are prone to polarization, one becomes Lei Feng, the real living Lei Feng, for the cause and the country, and the other is easy to become the first element, there is no middle ground. When he is not able to make a contribution to the country and society, he will be paid better at the same time, so that he will have continuous enthusiasm. for the State and Social Officer. There are some entrepreneurs who were very good in the past, regardless of utilitarianism and fame, and finally went to the opposite, which is precisely the system that we need to think about. ”

Xiao Zhen's words were analyzed, and everyone immediately understood what he meant, Wang Wenhua: "Oh...... What the mayor means is that if an enterprise is doing very badly, we will replace it with two things, and we will carry out property rights reform. Give managers and employees certain incentives, so that they can be more pioneering and able to make the enterprise smaller. Although our state-owned capital seems to be diluted, because it has turned from losses to profits, in fact, it is still profitable. Xiao nodded.

Wang: "As for the state-owned enterprises with good efficiency, we have also carried out two replacements for them and carried out equity reform. It is because these enterprises already have an excellent manager or a team of managers, and we do not let them lose their pioneering spirit, and prevent them from being "forced to degenerate into corrupt elements" because they have created great benefits but have not received their due remuneration. So give them their due shares in advance. to avoid this risk? Isn't that so, mayor? ”

Xiao Zhen nodded and said with a smile: "Secretary Wenhua is right. Exactly. This sentence is very interesting, Secretary Wenhua is right, but Secretary Wenhua's words are to explain his words of Mayor Xiao Zhen, so Secretary Wenhua is right, and of course what Mayor Xiao Zhen said is also right.

When the Standing Committee members heard this, they also felt that Xiao Zhen's explanation was quite reliable, and besides, Xiao Zhen's theoretical level was well-known to be high, even if he had different opinions in his heart, after weighing his theoretical level and eloquence, he chose not to open his mouth.

Minister Hong Yunxiang was very satisfied, and smiled: "The mayor is really an economic expert, I said that the Far East has to reform if the benefits of rare gold are so good." It turned out to be a step to prevent it, well, I think this method is good, we can't always find out the cause when something happens. Right? ”

Basically, everyone agreed with this point of view, and they all smiled and nodded yes

The newly appointed deputy secretary Hu Zhilin is in charge of economic work, but because of Xiao Zhen's relationship. In fact, there is not much place for him to speak in economic work now, so he is somewhat anxious to make his voice heard on economic issues.

Hu Zhilin: "Now we are back to the old problem, the companies that are doing too badly and the companies that are doing very well. We all agree that there is a need for two substitutions and the need for property rights reform, and everyone seems to have reached a consensus on this. Then the question comes back, what's that. in the reform of property rights. What proportion of state-owned capital should be maintained, how many shares should be occupied by equity incentives given to managers, and how many shares should be held by employees that are publicly owned or distributed? These things are not clearly pointed out by the central and provincial party committees and provincial governments, since we want to be in the forefront, we must touch this stone ourselves, now how to take the first step, these enterprises in the pilot, I cite two, a good one and a bad one, a good one such as Far East rare gold, now how to distribute this equity, poor such as Langliu Mian imitation, and how to distribute this equity? ”

The topic went back to it, and everyone fell silent again.

Xiao Zhen sighed slightly in his heart, and he suddenly felt that in addition to the unwillingness of these Standing Committee members to take responsibility, there was another reason for them not to express their opinions, that is, they really didn't understand, and they really didn't know how to distribute it to be reasonable.

He had no choice but to continue singing a one-man show, coughing lightly: "This is a complicated issue. In fact, the main thing is how to distribute the surplus. The reason why state-owned enterprises want to transfer is that the value brought by the transfer must be greater than the value before the transfer, otherwise it is meaningless, but how to distribute the surplus after the transfer is related to many conditions. I would like to talk about how the price is determined under the conditions of negotiation. In the fifties, Mr. Nash, the Nobel laureate in economics, proposed a small "Nash bargaining principle", which is simply to distribute the surplus equally. If this thing is worth a block in my hand. The value of the old block in your hand, the remaining is the block, and after the equal distribution of each block blunt money, so the price should be 7 pieces. This is premised on a win-win situation in negotiations. Of course, the amount of benefit obtained by both parties to the negotiation ultimately depends on the competition, if there is an old individual bidding to buy, then the final transaction price is close to the old block; If only an individual buys, then the final trading price is close to the block. But it can't be higher than the old block, otherwise the buyer is not willing to buy; It will not be lower than the block, because the seller is not willing to sell. This principle is very simple to say, but when it is applied to the reform of state-owned enterprises, it is easy to forget this principle. We always feel that if the person who buys it feels that he has taken advantage, then it must be the country that suffers. But in fact, the transaction itself is a process of creating value, and it cannot be said that a person buys a business for 1 million and sells it for 2 million in three months, and the country suffers a loss. ”

Xiao Zhen felt that he had spoken very clearly, but he looked at the expressions of the Standing Committee members and knew that many people didn't understand it at all, only Deputy Secretary Hu Zhilin seemed to be a little thoughtful, Wang Wenhua did he figure it out or pretended to be profound.

Xiao Zhen had no choice but to explain: "Let's look at this formula: if the equity is sold, its price is the price of the enterprise before the restructuring, the price of the enterprise after the restructuring, and the price of the enterprise before the restructuring. Let's deduce. If the value of the enterprise before the restructuring is 40,000, and the shares sold to the manager can be appreciated to 40,000 yuan, then how much should the manager pay? One, forty thousand. You think, the restructuring has increased the heart of the mouth of the 10,000 "40,000 should be divided equally between the buyer and the seller." So the transaction price is, persuading 10,000, that is, the buyer should pay persuading 10,000, and at the same time he is 2 after the appreciation. Wanzhong occupies the rights and interests of Tan. should get 10,000 sun, so his actual contribution should be 10,000 or 40,000. Therefore. In the case of a partial purchase of equity. If the buyer does not pay and the seller pays the money, it does not mean that he has suffered a loss in selling. The proprietor of the Shanxi ticket number was able to give the dividend right of the loach to those shopkeepers one or two hundred years ago, and this is the reason. ”

What's this, after explaining it, everyone Danji suddenly realized, and they all showed an expression of "Oh, so that's it".

Xiao Zhen felt a little helpless in his heart, it was really difficult to explain economic policies to such a group of economic laymen. But he couldn't help but explain, after all, if such a policy continued, it could only be a collective decision, and Xiao Zhen couldn't do it by himself. "Speaking of which, I have to talk about the question of how state-owned enterprises can compete for excellent managers in the market. Now everyone knows. It is becoming more and more difficult to retain good managers of state-owned enterprises. In the past, we relied on high-ability people to feed low-ability people, and you could make money. I can earn four. If we take it alone, we must, and the company will not lose money. Now the people who make money are all going out one by one, and the person who earns four is left in the company, but the trouble is that his salary is still falling. And then the problem came to light. In the past, state-owned enterprises lost a lot of technical personnel, but now there is an increasing loss of management personnel. Some managers don't want to leave at first, these people may have a strong sense of responsibility, they may feel that thousands of people under the enterprise, tens of thousands of people, including secretaries, mayors and so trust me, how can I be good for this money: but the problem is that for a long time, especially for those who have been begging for high salaries, my personal opinion is that for a good business manager, he does a good job, he should give him a higher incentive, he does a worse job, then the incentive is less. Otherwise, he did a terrible job. That's not to say. If you should fry the whales, you have to fire them. ”

After hearing this, Secretary Wang Wenhua pondered for a while and asked: "What the mayor means is that the performance of the enterprise should be used to determine the amount of equity distribution of its main managers, right?" ”

"That's pretty much it." Xiao Zhen nodded.

Wang Wenhua pondered for a moment, nodded and glanced around at the Standing Committee members, and asked, "What do you think of this principle proposed by the mayor?" ”

Executive Vice Mayor Song Qiu said: "This principle, in fact, the last time at the executive meeting of the municipal government, the mayor had a little bit of it, and it was not so detailed, but afterwards I thought about it myself." I think it makes a lot of sense, and I agree to break it down according to this principle. ”

Wang Wenhua nodded, looked at the others again, and asked, "What about the rest of the comrades?" , Comrade Zhilin, your opinion? ”

Hu Zhilin pondered for a moment and said, "I basically agree with this principle. ”

Wang Wenhua nodded: "I see it this way, if everyone has no opinion on this principle." So today we will first set this principle. I think the specific values still need to be further understood before making a decision, and we need to have a more in-depth and detailed understanding of several pilot companies, right? What does the mayor think?"

Xiao Yin knew that it was actually good to be able to determine this principle today, after all, not to say that it was the first in the country, at least it was the first in the province to start two replacements, and there was nothing wrong with meticulous investigation.

"Well, I agree with the secretary."

Secretary Wang Wenhua laughed, seemed to be very satisfied with Xiao Zhen's cooperation, nodded and said, "That's good." We will discuss the first topic first, and the specific allocation values will be put aside for a while, and then we will talk about it when we have examined it more carefully. Now let's discuss the question about Comrade Zhang Guangbin. Comrade Jia Yong, will you talk about it first? ”

Li Jiayong nodded and extinguished the cigarette butt in his hand. Said: "Before Comrade Zhang Guangbin took office as deputy director of the Municipal Public Security Bureau, I didn't know much about him, and I knew him after he became deputy director of the Municipal Public Security Bureau. In my impression, this person is still more decent and courageous. They are more decisive in their words and actions. The implementation of the relevant resolutions of the Municipal Party Committee, the Municipal Government and the Political and Legal Committee is also relatively powerful, and as for other details, I still have to ask Director Zhao. ”

Wang Wenhua glanced at Director Zhao and Gu Le, who were sitting on the side. Stretched out his hand and pointed: "Comrade Lao Zhao." So tell me, what do you think of Zhang Guangbin? ”

Director Zhao hurriedly stood up, Wang Wenhua smiled and waved his hand: "Sit down and say." ”

Director Zhao sat down and said, "In fact, before Zhang Guangbin was transferred to the Municipal Bureau as deputy director, I had heard some rumors about him in some private occasions, which were basically relatively negative. However, because the public security front is a relatively special front, and some public security officers and policemen who are strict with themselves are relatively easy to offend people, I did not take these rumors seriously at that time. But what I didn't expect was that this time the report letter was directly handed over to the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, and then returned to us by the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection. I feel that I didn't lead the team well, and I don't realize that there is such a serious situation below, and I am responsible. "Mistaken" Lao Zhao, you don't have to talk about your responsibility now, if you really want to talk about responsibility in this matter, it's not your villain's problem, let's put this aside first, and you can talk about your opinion of Zhang Guangbin." Wang Wenhua.

Xiao Yin shook his head slightly in his heart, this old Zhao. No wonder he stopped at the position of the director of public security, and when something goes wrong, he can talk about his responsibilities first. But how can you say about responsibility at this time? Why was this report letter transferred from the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection to the Municipal Commission for Discipline Inspection through the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection? That obviously means that at the beginning, when it was handed over to the Municipal Commission for Discipline Inspection, it was covered by someone, and even the entire Langliu Municipal Party Committee or Municipal Government was covered with a cover, so people had to directly submit a letter to the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection. But there is an unwritten rule in the system, the successor does not pursue certain things of the predecessor, Xiao Zhen believes that Mayor Zhang Pingchang could not cover such a thing, even if Langliu senior management has a cover, most of them are Secretary Yang Haoyuan or someone else, and what's the matter. When Secretary Wang Wenhua arrived in Langliu, it was impossible to push all the responsibilities on Yang Haoyuan, after all, the people under Yang Haoyuan's command at the beginning are now under his command, right?

Lao Zhao seemed to understand, so he nodded and said: "I think that judging from Comrade Zhang Guangbin's usual style, there is indeed a possibility of violating discipline. It is recommended that the Municipal Commission for Discipline Inspection investigate, and our Municipal Public Security Bureau will give full support and full cooperation. ”

Today I continued to engage in Chinese medicine and came back to take medicine, saying that Western medicine is really expensive, Chinese medicine is really cheap, I bought so many Chinese medicines, but there is only a small amount of yak money, I really don't know if this is a washing utensil or a cup.