541 8 J-8II for two F14s
Shen Fei couldn't refuse such a huge amount of scientific research funding.
As far as China's military enterprises are concerned, they can now have two or three hundred million yuan in funds, and they can go sideways like crabs.
The state has no money, and many of the military projects of the 70s have now been scrapped because of funding problems. Shen Fei's J-8II fighter, which was also a project in the seventies, has not made much progress until now.
Mainly because of the avionics side and nothing else.
The electronic system is the shortcoming of the entire Chinese military industry. The avionics system and fire control radar limit the very demanding military equipment of fighter aircraft. The J-8A fighter has made its first flight a long time ago, and it has always been impossible to install it on a large scale because of the electronic system.
This fighter was originally an interceptor used to intercept Lao Maozi's MiG-25 and Tu-22 Backfire medium-range strategic bombers. As a result, the requirements of the higher heads were not met at all. The J-8A is only able to lift off during the day, not an all-weather fighter. For the Tu-22, which can reach a penetration speed of Mach 3 with the afterburner open, there is not much defense capability at all. This kind of fighter, no matter what, is still in the category of the second generation.
Compared with the F14 in the United States, it is too far behind.
"Since you can't refuse, why don't you try it according to Director Liu's intentions? Even if it fails in the end, it will be paid by the Ninth Academy......" Huang Qiaosong tempted the bigwigs of the Shenfei Group who couldn't refuse.
"Lao Huang, there is nothing wrong with saying this, if we can't provide the fighters they need in the end. The technical performance indicators could not be completed, which caused problems in the contract between the Ninth Court and Iran. Who bears this responsibility? "There's nothing wrong with saying that.
The problem is that something has happened, and Shenfei Group cannot afford such a responsibility.
It was a big gamble.
"That's Director Liu's business. At the time of signing the contract of Long Weiyi. Director Liu said that 180 vehicles would be provided by the end of the year, and in the end only 100 vehicles would be provided, so what about the Iranians? Because of the contract for 180 vehicles, it was a verbal agreement. Although Director Liu is very young, many people think that his work experience is not enough. Actually? Huang Qiaosong shrugged his shoulders and said indifferently.
"Okay, we took this order, if Iran orders ......"
Gu Yifen also knew that once the Ninth Academy gave up on their project. Instead of seeking an improved version of the J-7, even the 132 aircraft plant in Rongcheng was able to complete the task.
Shen Fei couldn't miss this opportunity, and neither could the 601 Institute.
As Huang Qiaosong said, Shen Fei could not refuse 300 million scientific research funds.
"Iran ordered, it was a matter of signing a contract with Director Liu. As you know, the Iranians won't buy it at all. How much the fighter sells is, just let Director Liu talk about it, Shen Fei's main task. It is just to study carefully and conduct experiments according to the time given by Director Liu. Huang Qiaosong knew that Liu Yijiu could fool the Iranians.
also knows that the Iranians will not treat Shen Fei as a thing.
Their arms procurement with the Chinese side, even if the Ninth Academy does not have weapons and equipment, is negotiated through the Ninth Academy. These things. There was no need for Shen Fei Group to worry about it at all, so he unceremoniously interrupted Gu Yifen's words as the general designer of the J-8II.
Things have come to this point. Shen Fei couldn't refuse such generous conditions and treatment, so. Liu Yijiu's goal has been achieved.
When it came time to negotiate with the Iranians, there was some confidence.
"Liu. You should know very well that the price of the Pahlavi dynasty's purchase of the F14 is 80 million US dollars each, and now, your second-generation fighter is only quoted at 10 million US dollars, and you actually want to exchange 20 million for 80 million US dollars for the world's most advanced fighter, do you think it is appropriate? "For second-generation fighters, even if they are infinitely close to third-generation fighters, the Iranians look down on them.
The Iranian state's military-industrial design production capacity is not very strong, so they need to purchase from abroad.
Even if the most advanced weapons and equipment are purchased, they cannot be imitated, not to mention that all kinds of basic facilities are not perfect, and the key is that they cannot even understand many technologies.
China is not as small as Iran, with a huge population and a well-developed industrial package.
Exchanging two F14s for four Pandas, one way or another, is inappropriate.
The Chinese have pushed prices down too much.
"Mr. Minister, I think you have forgotten our obligations when we get this kind of warplane. If you don't have any opinions, no requirements, then, I think we can pay at the price of 80 million. But we don't guarantee spare parts within three years, and we don't guarantee that we can deliver replicas within five years. Even, in terms of price, we will calculate the price according to our production cost and production efficiency...... "Liu Yijiu knows that the other party will ask for a price.
Said lightly.
Not to mention 80 million dollars a plane, even if it is 100 million dollars or even 200 million dollars a plane, it should be paid.
The problem is that the Ninth House doesn't have that much money.
The price of the second-generation fighter's J-8 is already very high, but Liu Yijiu wants to sell it for 20 million US dollars or even higher, no one is a fool, is he?
So, save as much as you can left.
"Your fighters, even if they are new, are unlikely to be of such value. Director Liu, we sincerely want to talk to you about this cooperation, not for fun. Canon also frowned and said to Liu Yijiu.
Liu Yijiu's price reduction is really too much.
Liu Yijiu was noncommittal.
"We are also very sincere. If it's just a fighter like the J-8A, five million one, how many do you want, and we provide as much as we want. For the new fighter, we have added the same type of pulse Doppler radar used by the American F14. This should be clear to Mr. Minister Samnira, right? Liu Yijiu emphasized the fact of pulsed Doppler radar.
This radar, in itself, is not cheap, but also carries a computer fire control system.
"Liu. At a minimum, you need to provide at least 16 J-8II aircraft. can be equivalent to two F14s in value. American technology, you are more eager than we are to get. If it's an American. Even if it's half a billion dollars, you can't get this kind of plane. ”
"If the Americans are paying the same price of 500 million US dollars, they will not continue to provide you with relevant supporting parts and new fighter planes. If it can be reached, the 160 F-16 fighters ordered by the Pahlavi kings will be delivered to you, instead of now, even if you have American hostages in your hands, the negotiations will not make any progress......," Liu Yijiu said with a sneer.
Samnira and Kanon both had gloomy faces and did not speak.
"Honestly. The price you are proposing is not too high, compared to the technology contained in the F14, it is not high at all. You know the situation in China. After all, we don't have much to invest in this. The Chinese government won't get involved in this, why. I don't think I need to say it. And all this money needs to be borne by our Ninth Academy, and the Longwei tank was originally priced at $2.5 million a tank because of the intervention of the Pakistanis. We sold it to you at a cost of two million......" Liu Yijiu saw that the contract could not be negotiated, so he simply changed the topic.
"And now, the situation of the war between you and Iraq is very clear to discerning people. Tanks of various models in the possession of the Iranian military without the tanks we have provided. None of them are the opponents of the T72. Even if you have an F14, you can effectively intercept the MiG-25 fighters of the Iraqis. So what? The Iraqis have financial support from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries, with weapons and equipment support from the Soviet Union and even the United States and the entire Western countries, what does Iran have? The F14 is one less than one plane, and the Iraqis' air force equipment can still be replenished through procurement, and even strengthened through procurement......" Liu Yijiu's words made the Iranians have to think seriously about this matter.
Although the Iran-Iraq war was provoked by Iraq, none of the Western countries supported it, and they all issued some painless suggestions.
Iran's oil exports have been sanctioned over the Tehran hostage incident, and foreign exchange sources have plummeted.
The channels that can obtain the source of weapons and equipment have also become scarce because of the sanctions imposed by the Americans, and even if the British and French are willing to export to them, it is a sky-high asking price, and this point raised by Liu Yijiu at this time is very fair for Iran.
"Director Liu, if you calculate according to your cost, what is the approximate price of the F14 imitation provided to us at the end?" Samnila didn't speak, and Kanon took a deep breath and asked Liu Yijiu.
"No more than 50 million dollars!" Liu Yijiu said lightly, "If a similar engine in our country is adopted, if the production quantity is enough, the cost will not even exceed 40 million US dollars!" "Liu Yijiu's offer is very impressive for Iranians.
"10 J-8IIs, so that we can also have an account for the country." After some discussion, Samnila said to Liu Yijiu.
The Chinese used the F14 they provided to conduct research and imitation work, and they provided tens of millions of dollars.
"Six!" Liu Yijiu shook his head. "If we feel we can afford it, we can validate the contract now. In addition, we can supply unlimited quantities of weapons and equipment that you purchased from our country before. When our country responds to the call of the United States, we will also find ways to provide you with a sufficient amount of weapons and equipment. ”
"Eight. Director Liu, this is our bottom line! Two F14s, even with twenty second-generation fighters, may not be able to win! Although she didn't believe it, Samnila still had to say it.
This is in the interest of their country.
Eight more J-8s will allow the Iranian Air Force not to be absent from duty due to damage to the parts of the Panda F14.
Other fighters, compared to Soviet-style equipment, are too far behind.
"Deal!" Although the price of eight J-8II is less than 60 million US dollars, and even the purchase price of one F14, Liu Yijiu is still heartbroken.
In his opinion, this is a kind act of helping the Iranians, who should cry and shout and kneel and beg the Chinese to help them study the technology of the F14, and finally make this advanced fighter domestically produced.
Now it seems that the Iranians do not have the idea of their own production.
In Iran as a whole, the industrial base is not very perfect, and even if they are given technology, they cannot make it.
Thinking of this, Liu Yijiu was also relieved.
"Director Liu, our tank ......" Samneira once again raised the issue of the delivery of Long Weiyi.
"We're going to be working 24 hours a day to get another 70 to you by the end of the year. If you exceed it, you won't be able to. There is also nothing we can do. However, I suggest that only a part of these tanks need to be equipped with new anti-aircraft missile modules...... "That kind of missile, Liu Yijiu always feels that 150,000 US dollars a piece is a bit cheap."
But considering that the face test of this missile has not been done, and the range is less than 10 kilometers, it is also relieved.
The Americans, as well as European, anti-aircraft missiles are more expensive, because of their high cost and fame.
Sooner or later, the price of China's anti-aircraft missiles will have to rise.
"What if we want to be able to change this missile to an air-to-air missile? And how much time and how much does it cost to be able to install the F14 and match the weapon system of the American fighter? Samnila eventually raised the question.
In Iran now, the country is still in chaos, and Khomeini does not have effective control over the entire country, so the Iranians' ability to brush up is not too rebellious.
"If the F14 can be in place as soon as possible, I think it will take at most half a year to complete this improvement. Moreover, the cost will not be too high, and the cost of one missile will not exceed two hundred thousand dollars. Liu Yijiu thought about it, Iran is their first big customer in the real sense, and there is no need to bully too much.
It is better to be able to form a good word-of-mouth effect for China's military products through Iran, where low prices and less profits are not a problem.
"Well, I think we can draw up a contract. I hope to be able to add at least 20 tanks to the next supply with anti-aircraft modules. After the contract is signed, the $12 million will arrive in your country very quickly. ”
"As long as the money is in place, I think we will be able to meet your needs by the end of the year. Air-to-air missiles will be slower, but anti-aircraft missiles are not a problem! Liu Yijiu nodded.
Twelve million dollars, it's really not much.
But it's a good start. (To be continued......)
PS: Today's apprentice children are full moon, and they all drink at noon and night, especially at night, and they drink two hemp and two hemp, which was not going to be more, but seeing the enthusiastic support of the brothers, the gourd had to endure the drunkenness and come out of a chapter.
This chapter may not be of very good quality, I hope you will forgive me, brothers.