Hearing Huang Gang's words, He Haifeng and Lin Zhenhua looked at each other and smiled, it seems that everyone's feelings are the same, if you don't solve the problem of the local enterprise leadership team, it is useless to just invest money in it.

He Haifeng asked, "Huanggang, what do you think about this?" ”

Huang Gang said: "Mr. He, I think it is necessary to start the bankruptcy and reorganization process of enterprises, so that those enterprises that have been out of production for a long time can go bankrupt directly, and then merge and reorganize them with social funds. After the reorganization, the enterprise should become an independent market entity and be independent of its subordinate relationship with the government at all levels, so as to ensure that it has operational autonomy and avoid repeating the mistakes of the past because the government and the enterprise are not separated. ”

"You have such a big breath, so many large and medium-sized state-owned enterprises, you say that you are bankrupt, and you will throw them away?" He Haifeng said deliberately.

Huang Gang naturally knew that He Haifeng was thinking about him, he smiled slightly, and said: "With so many state-owned enterprises, it is of course the best to be able to stay in the hands of the state, after all, they are all important parts of the public economy. But in the current situation, enterprises lack vitality, and the state has no effective measures to bring enterprises back to life. Rather than dragging it half-dead like this, constantly consuming the country's financial resources, it is better to quickly cut through the mess and bring them to the market. Perhaps, they will be able to get a new lease of life in the market. ”

"I agree with Xiao Huang." A female director named Yu Juying from the Economic and Trade Commission said, "We have deeply felt this in the process of investigation these days. The branding of state-owned enterprises carried by these old enterprises is too heavy, and everywhere we go, whether it is cadres or employees, we are looking forward to the state reaching out to help them. But few people realize that they need to do something on their own to change the status quo. ”

Wu Deming, a director of the Machinery Committee, also said: "I also have a deep understanding of what Director Yu said. For example, the phenomenon of corruption among leading cadres in some enterprises is very serious, and when we investigated, many employees of enterprises mentioned this to us. But when we asked them why they didn't report it, or didn't stand up and fight, the answer was that the company belongs to the state. If the state doesn't care, why should they care? ”

"Hmph, for so many years since the founding of the People's Republic of China, we have always said that cadres and workers are the masters of the factory, but when the time comes. How many people are able to recognize themselves as owners? He Haifeng said softly, he has many years of experience in local work, and he also knows what everyone is talking about.

Huang Gang said: "This is the result of unclear property rights. In the past, no matter how much value was created in the enterprise, it was eventually taken away by the state for free. On the contrary, if the enterprise has a loss, the state will also come forward to compensate. So. For the workers and cadres in the enterprise, the rise and fall of the enterprise has nothing to do with their own welfare, and they naturally do not care about the quality of the enterprise. ”

"It seems that everyone's opinion is very unanimous." He Haifeng said, "So how do you think these companies should merge and reorganize?" Otherwise, Huanggang, you better talk about it first. ”

"Okay, then I'll throw bricks and stones. Say a little immature thoughts, please correct the leaders and teachers. Huang Gang said, "I suggest that 20 enterprises in Hunbei City be selected to carry out bankruptcy reorganization pilots, and if the pilot can be successful, it will be extended to other enterprises in Hunbei City, and even all enterprises in the entire old industrial base in Northeast China."

The steps of bankruptcy reorganization are: First, a comprehensive assessment of the company's existing assets and liabilities is carried out, and its net value is treated as a stake held by the state. Then, raise funds from the society not lower than this level as social shares. So. Enterprises become joint-stock enterprises, from which the state derives profits only on the basis of the shares it holds, and the right to operate them is held by the major shareholders, that is, the holders of social capital. ”

He Haifeng said: "Your way of thinking is not new. Hunbei has also raised it in the past, but the problem is that no social capital is willing to take over these enterprises. ”

Huang Gang said: "I have learned about this problem, and there are two reasons why social capital is reluctant to take over. The first is that the burden on enterprises is too heavy, and the wages of retired workers alone are enough to drag social capital to death. Second, the relationship between these enterprises and the government is too close, and social capital is worried that after taking over, it will be difficult to distinguish the relationship between responsibilities and rights with the government, which will eventually lead to enterprises having to assume a lot of social responsibilities, resulting in overwhelmed burdens. ”…,

He Haifeng nodded with satisfaction: "Huanggang, you did a good job, and you learned a lot about it." If these problems exist, how do you think your solution can solve them? ”

Huang Gang said: "My idea is that if the old state-owned enterprises want to be reborn, they must completely get rid of the social burden and let them stand on the same starting line as those foreign-funded enterprises, township enterprises, and so on. Therefore, the retirees of these old state-owned enterprises must all be decoupled from the enterprises, and their pensions should be borne by the government. ”

"Huang Gang, have you noticed that your mentor's face is frightened by you." Lin Zhenhua asked teasingly on the side.

"How?" Huang Gang asked puzzledly, he really turned his head to look at He Haifeng, and he didn't seem to find anything unusual about He Haifeng.

Lin Zhenhua said: "In the entire Hunbei City, there are more than 1 million retired workers, and according to the retirement salary of 100 yuan per person, it is more than 100 million yuan a month, and 1.5 billion yuan a year. If this model is extended to the whole country, it will be hundreds of billions a year, so it's no wonder that Director He is not afraid. ”

Huang Gang said disapprenously: "This is an expenditure that the state must bear. The value created by these retired workers in the past has been handed over to the state, and now that they are old, the pension problem naturally needs to be borne by the state. We didn't have this pension fund in the past, and now it's time to make up for it. ”

He Haifeng said: "The situation that Huanggang said is indeed the problem we are currently facing. In 91 years, the State Council promulgated the "Decision on the Reform of the Pension Insurance System for Enterprise Employees", which stipulates that both state-owned enterprises and non-state-owned enterprises must successively establish an employee pension insurance system. However, for employees who retired before this provision, the enterprise still bears the employee's pension according to the traditional method. According to what Huang Gang just envisioned. It is necessary to include former retired workers in this system. ”

"The old way for the old man, the new way for the new man, this is the main spirit of the decision of the State Council. According to Xiao Huang's idea, that is, the old people also have to use new methods, and it is very difficult to connect the policies in the middle. Yu Juying interjected that she had been engaged in the reform of employee pension for a period of time and had a deep understanding of this problem.

Huang Gang said: "Teacher He." Director Yu, what I put forward is a pragmatic approach. In fact, most of the enterprises in Hunbei City are currently in a state of loss, and 80% of them have stopped production. These loss-making, discontinued businesses. It's all bank loans to settle the wages of laid-off workers and retired workers, isn't this also the state paying for these money? I think that how to determine the national policy can be discussed in the long run, but in Hunbei City, we can first carry out a pilot project of socialized pension, throw out all the retirees of the enterprise, and let the enterprise travel lightly. ”

"If it's just in Hunbei City. It's not impossible. However, this matter has to be decided by Director He. Yu Juying said.

He Haifeng said with a wry smile: "It is not difficult to carry out such a policy, I will go back and discuss with the leading comrades of Liaoning Province and Hunbei City, and the problem should not be big." But how to solve the problem of funds for the Hunbei municipal government to burden the wages of retired workers in the city? This point was also mentioned by Kobayashi just now. ”

Huang Gang said: "The problem of funds will be borne by the state in the initial stage, and we will come to the Northeast this time." Didn't you bring a sum of money to reduce losses and get out of trouble? These funds could be used for this purpose first. In addition, banks can also provide a part of the loans, but in fact, this is just a transfer of loans originally lent to enterprises to the government, and the burden on banks will not increase. During this period of time, we have stepped up to complete the restructuring and reorganization of the enterprise, and once the enterprise comes back to life, we will be able to provide tax revenue to the government. At that time, the salaries of these retirees will also be stable. ”

"Well, that's a good idea." He Haifeng nodded in affirmation. In fact, the idea that Huang Gang said had also been considered in He Haifeng's mind, but he didn't systematically sort out this idea. Now that he heard Huang Gang's explanation, he felt that his thinking was much clearer.

"Huanggang. You go back and form your idea into a document, and I will discuss it with the comrades in Liaoning Province. I think it should be okay to choose Hunbei City as a pilot first. He Haifeng said.

"If the problem of retirees can be solved, then the first obstacle to corporate restructuring does not exist. Now to my second point. Huang Gang continued, "The second point is that the local government intervenes too much in enterprises. I believe that the key to solving this problem lies in the awareness of local government officials. Let them step out of the role of mother-in-law in the business, ignore the things they shouldn't take care of, and focus on the things they should take care of. "As far as I can see, this is much more difficult than the previous point." "These days, we have a lot of dealings with local officials, and their attitudes are really hard to change." ”

Huang Gang looked at He Haifeng and said, "I'm afraid that only Teacher He can solve this problem." ”

He Haifeng said: "I'm afraid I can't do anything." Local officials have their own set of ideas, and this is not something that we can change with the next order. We had to talk to them and find a way to convince them to accept our point of view. This kind of thing cannot be forced. ”

Lin Zhenhua said: "Director He, you are the deputy director of the State Planning Commission, can't you still deal with a few officials in the city?" Their level is a big cut off yours, right? ”

He Haifeng said: "The official can't just oppress people." Our central ministries and commissions also rely on the cooperation of the localities to do things. If we do not indiscriminately use high-pressure policies, it is one thing for the local authorities to listen to them or not, and even if they are forced to provide cooperation in desperation, the effect will be greatly reduced. ”

The relationship between the central and local governments in China is very delicate. On the surface, the central ministries and commissions hold all kinds of powers, and the local governments are in a weak position. Just look at the local officials who went to the central government to do business, and when they entered the gates of ministries and commissions, their faces were full of humility. But on the other hand, any central ministry and commission cannot do without the cooperation of the local government, and they call the local "legs" of the locality, and it is almost impossible for a ministry or commission that has no local "legs" to move an inch.

It is precisely because of this that the officials of the central ministries and commissions do not dare to be too upright at the local level, and they really offend the local officials so badly that they don't buy your account at all, and you can only be gray and have nothing to do. Officialdom also has to pay attention to rules, and if the fault lies with the central ministries and commissions, the leaders of the province will naturally support their subordinates. He Haifeng is vice chairman of the State Development Planning Commission, but when he goes down to the province to do things, he must also abide by such rules.

"If you government officials are like this, and they are harmonious, then what else can we grass people do?" Lin Zhenhua said, "Forget it, Huanggang, are you tired, if you are not tired, I will take you to Hunbei University to find a sister paper to play." ”

"Mr. Lin ......" Huang Gang's mind is full of black lines, although he is also a young man, but he is not as crazy as Lin Zhenhua, especially in front of a room of officials, even if he makes a mistake like this.

He Haifeng was so angry by Lin Zhenhua's scoundrel face that he couldn't cry or laugh: "Xiaolin, what nonsense are you talking about, what is the meaning of officials protecting each other and being in harmony, this is the minimum problem of working methods." Do you think government work can be as simple and crude as your business? Comrades at the grassroots level also have difficulties at the grassroots level, so we can't just play big names, right? ”

Lin Zhenhua said: "Comrade He, what I said is the truth. Today, Zhou Daming and their faces, you can also see them. With you here, they can still give me a little face. In case you leave, I will run a business in Hunbei, and I won't let them toss to death? The central government wants to solve the problems in the northeast, and it is unwilling to offend the officials in the northeast, so what can we, ordinary enterprises, do? ”

"Xiaolin, you can't say that, Director He didn't say that he couldn't solve the problem, don't misunderstand." Yu Juying and the others hurriedly began to persuade, they didn't know much about the relationship between Lin Zhenhua and He Haifeng, and they didn't know that Lin Zhenhua had always spoken to He Haifeng like this.

He Haifeng waved his hand to ask the others not to interject, he pondered for a moment, nodded, and said: "Xiao Lin is right, to solve the problem in the Northeast, it is indeed necessary to have some extraordinary means. If we do not solve the problem of the concept of government officials, investors will not dare to invest, and it will be completely impossible for us to change the face of Northeast China by relying on the strength of our government alone. In this case, I will make an appointment with the provincial leaders tomorrow and have a serious discussion with them about this issue. (To be continued......)