As soon as Yang Cong's righteous prescription was finished, Shen Jin retorted: "Brother Yang's argument is bad, the Han and Tang dynasties are strong and prosperous, and the rulers are clear. Han hit the local strong, levy tax shelter land, the second emperor of the scriptures Jing has decades of savings, the granaries in the world are overflowing, the treasury is full of coins, there is the period of Emperor Wu, Wei Qing and Huo Quai's expedition to Saibei, creating immortal achievements, but Emperor Wu once was poor and reckless, and several expeditions to Saibei, resulting in the granary bottoming out, the treasury has no money, and the Xiongnu come to harass again, but they are powerless to fight back. Therefore, it is necessary to crack down on local tyrants, clear the land, strictly prevent tax evasion, and increase taxes and taxes, so that the granaries can be full and the government treasury can be surplus. And the poor soldiers, the way to perish, Emperor Wu conquered the north, the two emperors of Wenjing and the two emperors accumulated, after Emperor Wu, a slump, internal and external troubles, Wang Mang usurped the Han, and the Western Han Dynasty perished.

In the early years of the Tang Dynasty, there were many good ministers, the rulers were clear and clear, there was a prosperous era, Taizong conquered Goryeo several times, spent countless money and grain, the treasury was not abundant, and then there were local powers, so that the Anshi Rebellion, the national strength gradually declined, and the Tang Dynasty was finally destroyed by local powers. Therefore, the local power is destroyed, the land is measured, the state has a good appearance, the officials are well governed, the world is stable, the people can live and work in peace and contentment, pay taxes according to regulations, and the government treasury is full. Brother Yang's return to the theory of ease and strengthening the army, Shen really disagreed. ”

Yang Congyi immediately retorted: "Brother Shen's argument is fallacious. The Han and Tang dynasties did not unify the world, how could they govern and how could they be stable? Han has Han Xin, in order to sweep the world, establish the Han Dynasty, and reign for a hundred years. Guangwu Zhongxing is also a good general, so that he can clean up the mess and the world will be unified again. When the Tang Dynasty was established in the Sui Rebellion, the world was divided, if there was no unscrupulous general in command, the Tang Dynasty died early, how could it be good, and create a prosperous world. Although the Great Song Dynasty did not have the martial arts of the Han and Tang Dynasties, there were countless good generals at the beginning of the founding of the country, so that they could unify the southern countries, unify China, and stabilize the world. No roots, no wood, no water, no pool. If there is no strong martial arts to sweep the world, the strong cannot be destroyed, the world cannot be determined, and the people are not able to live, then the fields are deserted and no one cultivates, and the country does not stand, how can we talk about being strong? ”

Qin Miao immediately retorted: "Brother Yang's argument is not bad. The Great Song Dynasty has been established for a hundred years, and now the world is stable, not when the Han and Tang dynasties were first established, why do you need to have a strong army? When the people live in peace, waste is waiting to be rebuilt, and the treasury is not abundant, they should think about how to collect taxes, and wait for the money and grain to fill the warehouse, so that they can be strong. Brother Yang said that the Han and Tang dynasties were strong because of their military strength, and they fought endlessly, so that they could connect the Western Regions of the Beihai Sea. Exhaustive military force, empty consumption of national strength, all in the dust! It is that although the old country is great, it will perish if it is warlike. We should learn the lessons of the demise of the Han and Tang dynasties, and we should not speak lightly of force. ”

Yang Congyi immediately retorted: "Brother Qin's words are wrong. Although the country is big, the belligerent will die, and then there is another sentence, although the world is safe, forgetting the war will be dangerous! The turbulent times of the Three Kingdoms were unified in Sima, Sima Jianjin's strength in the early years was self-evident, and then the sword soldiers entered the warehouse, greedy for comfort, a riot, Wuhu and Sixteen Kingdoms, disaster Jiangbei, the world was chaotic like cooking porridge, and the barbarians went south, like wolves and tigers, skinning and eating meat of the Han people, and millions of Han people in Jiangbei were emptied, and the prosperity of the strong Han people in Jiangbei was swept away. The Sima clan moved to the southeast, but still did not use force, which eventually led to the change of dynasty and the extinction of the Eastern Jin Dynasty. The world is in chaos, wars are raging, and how many saints and sages are the brainchild of the brainchild, and their whereabouts are unknown, or they are burned. The barbarians in the north, plundering in the south, have no humanity, if there is no Han people Jedi resistance, China will be extinct early. The death of the two Jin Dynasty is a lesson in not using force.

The founding of the Great Song Dynasty, sweeping the south, there are many difficulties, the barbarians invaded the south, the north has been lost, the south crossed the country, the barbarians went south many times, trying to exterminate the Great Song Dynasty, the Great Song Dynasty soldiers and civilians rebelled, fought for more than ten years, both were defeated, and there was a Song-Jin peace conference. However, although the world is safe, forgetting the war will be dangerous. You don't see, the Jin people put the north and south camps of Bianjing, stationed in 200,000 elite cavalry, whip a day, then the horse stepped on the Huai River, into the Yangtze River bank, if I think the world is stable, are not ready for war, the country has no good generals, the armament is relaxed, if one day, the barbarians betray the alliance, wave the knife to the south, we only lead the neck to kill, turn into dust. Therefore, the country cannot be without an army for a day, and the army must not forget the war for a day, and if you forget the war, it will be dangerous, and it will be too late to regret it. ”

Shen Jin retorted: "Brother Yang's words are alarmist. The Yangtze River is in danger, if the Jin people can go south, why should they fight hard for more than ten years, and finally have to negotiate peace with my Great Song Dynasty? At this time, retain a huge army, empty national strength, such as today's stability, the treasury is not abundant, it is time to reduce military strength and reduce treasury expenditure. In addition, the acres of land were cleared, and taxes were levied widely to fill the treasury, increasing and decreasing, and it would not take a few years for the Great Song Dynasty to return to its former strength. ”

When Tang Xun heard this, he was immediately overjoyed, and when it came to Tian Fu, he should open his mouth, and immediately retorted: "Brother Shen's words are wrong. The army will leave it alone for the time being, just talk about the acres of land. Today, the Great Song Dynasty occupies more than half, the northern land has been lost, the number of acres of land can not be compared with the past, the tax is naturally different, no matter how to clear the acres of land, the treasury still can not compare with Bianjing. Moreover, six or seven out of ten of the world's fertile land are in the hands of the princes and wealthy families, most of them are given by the official family, or they want to go to clear the acres of land. You don't see, a minister all over the country, covering an area of hundreds of thousands of tons, millions of tons of grain every year, all into his own private treasury, a minister, three meals a day, all kinds of dishes no less than 100 kinds, all are rare birds and beasts, spend thousands of dollars, enough for a poor family of five, live for a hundred years, so extravagant and wasteful, no one dares to attack, the secretary of state is noble, the children of the door are all over the world, don't say to go to Qingzhang Tianmu, even if there is a leak, the person who proposes it will immediately be impeached and expelled to the place of smoke and miasma.

The matter of acres of land has become a dead end. If you don't believe it, please look at the Manchu Dynasty civil and military, who does not have thousands of acres of good land, no matter whose field is cleared, will eventually be cleared to their own fields, Qingzhang comes out to return to the treasury, can not be cleared, is their own private treasury, just imagine, who will be so aware of the righteousness, their own private treasury handed over to the treasury? Even if there is, it is only one of thousands of people, if someone really hands over the private treasury to the government treasury, then he will have no place to stand, and he will be smeared immediately, and no one dares to discuss it. Don't you know this situation? Thinking about the acres of land is just wishful thinking. When the treasury is not abundant, the big and rich households can only raise taxes for the common people, and when the world is in chaos, the rich and big households can take the opportunity to seize the acres of land, they have their own armed protection, there is food and drink, where will care about the life and death of the country, and the people live and die. Therefore, the proposal of clearing the acres of land is very wrong. ”

Qin Miao retorted: "Brother Tang's argument, I can't agree with it. Although the official family has given land, it is only a little, most of the tax avoidance land should be taxed, when this poverty, a hundred wastes to be revived, is in need of the secretary of the wealthy, the squire of the big household to contribute, the Manchu Dynasty secretary read the sage book, when the state affairs are difficult, the treasury is not abundant, and the waste is difficult to prosper. The way of the sage, governing the country and leveling the world, no one in the Manchu Dynasty does not understand, as long as there is a proposal of one person, the official family will support, and the private land will inevitably be cleaned up, even if someone cheats, countless fields can be cleared to fill the treasury. Qingzhang acres are not much * trouble, just quietly clear the zhang, record, and then check with the household register, tax field private land, at a glance, according to the number of actual tax payment, if you can insist on the implementation, will be able to the treasury abundant. ”

Tang Xun said with a smile: "Brother Qin's theory, I'm afraid no one agrees. Not to mention whether the Manchu Dynasty ministers are like our students, full of enthusiasm for governing the country, full of anger about the injustices in the world, even if there are really ministers for the sake of the country, bent on implementation, I am afraid that it is also difficult and dangerous, difficult to achieve, in the end it is inevitable to be busy, the acres of land are not on the head of the minister's wealthy family, and the squires and wealthy households hand over part of the land at most two loads, but in the end, these increased taxes will still be passed on to the poor people who rent land, and the ordinary landed people, when they clear the number of fields, they can complete the task of clearing the acres of land. In the end, the burden on the ordinary people increased, and the ministers and wealthy families did not lose a little, and once the popular uprising was provoked, they could make a lot of money. Please imagine, which time is it not like this? Therefore, it is difficult to rely on Qingzhang acres of land and rich treasury.

It is better to make it easier to return to the treasury and enrich the treasury, which is safe and effective. As we all know, at the time of the war, there was a shortage of grain, a load of grain was sold for six or seven times in the capital, and in Guangdong and Guangxi, a load of grain was only five or six hundred Wen, a difference of more than ten times, to the Nanyang countries, the grain was cheaper, during the war in Nanyang enough grain for a boat, after being transported to Lin'an, it could make a profit of 100,000 yuan, of course, now the people's livelihood has recovered, the grain is two through and one load, and the grain is not as profitable as before when returning from Nanyang, but because the Nanyang grain is cheap, there is still money to be made.

And my Great Song Dynasty's silk tea porcelain, in overseas is very scarce, a trip to the sea, a million profits, as long as the treasury pays to build a big ship, it is not difficult to earn back millions of silver dollars in two years, and then use these silver money to buy grain, when the granary is full, the money treasury is abundant, and the Great Song Dynasty will be strong and prosperous. The key to Huiyi is that it does not affect the people's peaceful housing, and the landless poor can enter the weaving workshop, can enter the dyeing workshop, can burn porcelain, can make tea, and can also sail with the Huiyi merchant ship. Therefore, the Hui Yi trade is a policy for the benefit of the country and the people, the Han and Tang Dynasties have a land Silk Road, interconnected with each other, abundant products, admired by later generations, if the Great Song Dynasty opened up the Maritime Silk Road, earn countless money and grain, can also be strong, famous through the ages. ”

Shen Jin said: "Brother Tang's argument is inappropriate, agriculture is the foundation of the country, if you don't cultivate the fields, the people will have no food, and the world will be in chaos." Since ancient times, all the countries that were strong and prosperous for a time relied on agriculture and mulberry to live in peace, so that they could have abundant products. As we all know, Hui Yi is to buy at a low price and sell at a high price to earn ill-gotten gains, which is not the work of a gentleman.

One year of return to Yi, can be worth ten years of hard work, in order to lure the people of the world, the people do not read the sage books, lured by profits, will not be restless, resentful, or become robbers, or participate in the return to Yi, in the long run, the fields are barren, the land has nowhere to go, the treasury money and grain are limited, and the population of the Great Song Dynasty is not more than 10 million, with the land of the Great Song Dynasty is vast and rich, not everyone can have three meals to eat, where in the world is there so much food to feed the Great Song Dynasty?

Even if there is such a fertile land in the world, producing countless grains, but a boatload of grain is not more than a thousand loads, the people of Lin'an are not less than 500,000, and they eat 50 boats of grain a day, even if they go to sea with 100 ships at a time, it is only enough to eat for two days, and the people of the Great Song Dynasty have 10 million, and there is no food, how can they not be chaotic? Therefore, it is really a policy to disrupt the country. ”