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Ning Wan interjected and concluded: "Even if those ignorant scholars in the Ming Kingdom insist on falsely calling our country Jurchen, these historical origins can be found out by a little inquiry on the grassland. Therefore, we do not intend to hide the fact that our country has nothing to do with the Jin Kingdom of the Wanyan clan, and we can't hide it. ”

"However, my country's surname is Aixin Jueluo. The love of Manchu is the gold of Chinese. The name of our country comes from the surname of the country, just as Altan Urus got its name from Altan Khan. This reason is a matter of course, and if you think about it, how can it be easily changed? If our country is called the Kingdom of Jin, your country is called the Kingdom of Altan. Would you like to? ”

Jia Daoshi said: "I said it last time, if you don't want to change, you will be ranked behind us in the order of the founding of the country, called Houjin." ”

Ning Wan smiled and said: "How can I rank behind others in my dignified Dajin Kingdom's 100,000 soldiers and horses? Why don't we call it Dajin Guo, and how about you call it Xiaojin Guo? ”

Daoist Jia shook his feather fan: "Oh, I'm scared to death!" If there are more people, you can be big? Why don't you talk to Da Ming about this? ”

Seeing that the negotiations were about to stalemate, Sun Yi suggested: "Why don't we call ourselves in Mongolian and Manchu respectively, as for the Chinese Jin Kingdom, how do we express ourselves?" ”

Ning Wan immediately refused: "How can that be?" If the name is not right, the word is not good, the name cannot be discussed, and nothing can be discussed. ”

Sun Yi and Daoist Jia glanced at each other.

Both of them confirmed in their hearts that Ai Xinguo had no intention of negotiating the ransom at all, and they were purely fooling the two white flags under the guise of negotiation.

So Daoist Jia spoke: "Since you are not in a hurry, we are not in a hurry. Anyway, we won the battle, Duo Erhong is also in our hands, and at our doorstep, we are ready to talk for ten days and a half months. ”

Jia Daoshi asked slowly: "When did the surname of your country start to be Aixin Jueluo, isn't it the surname Tong?" “

After Ning Wan, I immediately replied solemnly: "When the first emperor wrote to the Ming court in his early years, he called himself Tong Nurhaqi. It's uncountable. ”

"It's strange, didn't Ning put the style just now and said that the national surname can be easily changed? Why doesn't it count right away? ”

Ning Wan said: "At that time, the Ming court bullied Jianzhou Wei, and the first emperor endured humiliation. Tong is a nobleman in Jianzhou, so he pretends to be surnamed Tong. ”

"I see, I want to come to the time when life was difficult, and it is understandable to cling to a famous family."

"Don't humiliate my first emperor like this! At that time, anyone who became the commander of the Jianzhou Guard would claim to be surnamed Tong. ”

"Uh, so the Ming Dynasty has a rule that if you don't have the surname Tong, you are not allowed to be the commander of the Jianzhou Guard?"

"This, I don't know."

"Dr. Dahai, you are a Manchurian, did the Ming Dynasty have this regulation on Jianzhou Wei at that time?"

Dahai hesitated for a moment but replied, "No." ”

Daoist Jia asked again: "Your national surname is actually not Tong, is it?" ”

Da Haidao: "Our national surname is Aixin Jueluo, not Tong." ”

Daoist Jia asked again: "Your national surname took the initiative to pretend to be surnamed Tong at that time, didn't it?" ”

Tatsumi said: "Yes. ”

Jia Daoshi asked again: "Pretending to be surnamed Tong is because it is beneficial, isn't it?" ”

Tatsumi said: "This ......"

"Isn't it?"

"Yes."

Jia Daoshi turned to Ning Wan: "That's clinging." In fact, what is this, the old Zhu family of the Ming Dynasty also thought about climbing to Zhu Xi of the Song Dynasty, since he did it, don't be afraid of what others say. ”

Jia Daoshi asked unhurriedly: "Now that you say that your national surname is Aixin Jueluo, shouldn't it be a fake name this time?" ”

Ning Wan sneered, "Now that Aixin Jueluo is already a well-known national surname, how can it be fake?" ”

"That's good, I'm afraid that if you tell me that Aixin Jueluo doesn't count after we talk for a long time."

"Hmph, Master Jia and relax!"

"Good. I don't know anything, please ask Ning to put the style, Aixin Jueluo's Aixin is gold, dare to ask what Jueluo is? ”

Ning Wan replied, "Jueluo is a surname. ”

"Then is your country's surname Jin or Jueluo? Or is it a reinstatement? ”

"Jueluo is the surname, and Jin Jueluo is one of the Jueluo, just like the Li surname in the Han surname and the Li family in Longxi. Under the surname Jueluo, there are Jin Jueluo, Yiergen Jueluo, Shushu Jueluo, Xilin Jueluo, Tongyan Jueluo, Ayan Jueluo, Hulun Jueluo, Aha Jueluo, Chala Jueluo, Jiamuhu Jueluo, Glen Jueluo and so on. ”

"Ugh. As far as I know, Jueluo is a descendant of the second emperor of Huiqin in the Northern Song Dynasty, and his Han surname is Zhao. So your country's surname is Zhao? The lord of your country is the blood of Zhao and Song? ”

Ning Wan said anxiously: "Jueluo's surname Zhao is pure nonsense!" ”

"Ning Jiaoshi, you don't have the surname Jueluo, and the second surname is not Zhao, why do you say that this is nonsense? Dr. Dahai, dare to ask if there is any claim in your country that Jueluo is a descendant of the Second Emperor Huiqin? ”

"This," Dahai replied hesitantly, "yes." ”

"Are there a few people who believe in this statement?"

"This ...... There are quite a few people. ”

Jia Daoshi slapped the feather fan, "Ah! People's own ancestors know for themselves, where is the turn of outsiders to talk nonsense! ”

"You are also worthy of the surname Zhao!" , Geng Xiucai became excited when he heard this.

"Zhao Song is benevolent and loves the people, when Yashan perished, 100,000 people died for the orphans and widows of Zhao and Song, you slaughtered Shenyang and Tu Lushun, and you are also worthy of the surname Zhao?"

"The second emperor of Huiqin, calligraphy, painting, poetry, everyone, you don't know how to read, you are clothed in your hair, you are not in four dimensions, and you are also worthy of the surname Zhao?"

"To be so shameless?"

Daoist Jia was busy appeasing Geng Xiucai.

"Anger, anger. They just want to cling to the big clan. It's not that I really recognized the second emperor of Huiqin as my ancestor from my heart, don't take it seriously. ”

The claim that Jue Luo is a descendant of the Second Emperor of Huiqin is still the information collected by Jia Daoshi when he chatted with Sun Yi.

After the Xinhai Revolution, many Manchus with the surname Jueluo changed their surnames to Zhao. However, there is no substantiation for this statement.

However, for Daoist Jia, one statement is enough, and he does not need evidence at all.

Ning Wan I was angry, he never dreamed that there was such a saying in the surname Jueluo.

Jia Daoshi still hasn't finished speaking, "It's just a matter of clinging to Zhao Song, but why don't you think about it, Zhao Song and Wanyan Jin are mortal enemies, why is the surname Zhao posted a golden word?" ”

"Is it that after climbing Zhao Song, I feel that I am not strong enough, and I will climb Yan Jin again? If that's the case, I'll tell you that there's a Mongolian Bo'er Jin clan below that can be used. ”

"Oh!" , Jia Daoshi made a sudden realization, "You first assume the surname Tong and climb to the position of the commander of Jianzhou." Then he assumed the surname Zhao and deceived the trust of the chief military officer of Liaodong Town, thinking that you were Han and conniving at you to attack other Jurchens. Then he assumed the surname Jin and deceived other Jurchens to attack the Ming Dynasty together. Let me think about it, you must assume the Mongolian surname when you come down, hehe, it is estimated that you dare not fake Bo'er Jin, because there are still descendants, unlike Zhao Song and Wanyan Jin, who died without proof. You're probably back to a famous but undescended Mongolian family! ”

Ning Wan and I trembled with anger when Daoist Jia splashed dirty water like this, "Aixin Jueluo fell from the sky, and there is no need to take other people's surnames at all." ”

"Falling from the sky? Dr. Dahai, is it true? ”

Dahai nodded slowly, "When Xian Khan was alive, he repeatedly said that Aixin Jueluo fell from the sky as a matter between the eighth and tenth generations, so Xian Khan knew it very well. ”

"How did it fall from the sky? Did you come down with a cloud on your back, or did you come down with a flapping of wings? Where to land? ”

"Neither the Khan nor the Baylors have said this, I don't know."

"Then let me ask, is it only Jin Jueluo who fell from the sky, or did all Jueluo fall from the sky together with a crackle?"

Dahai replied: "I think it should be just Jin Jueluo who descended from the sky. ”

Jia Daoshi asked rhetorically: "Where did Jin Jueluo come from, what relatives of Jueluo?" They have nothing to do with the other Kyaw Ra at all. Isn't your national surname still a big surname? ”

Ning Wan rushed to say: "All Jueluo fell from the sky. ”

Dahai shook his head.

Daoist Jia asked me rhetorically: "Then why does Jueluo think that he is a descendant of the Second Emperor Huiqin?" Why is it that only Jin Jueluo is the national surname, and the other Jueluo who fell from the sky are not the national surname? ”

Ning Wan said, "Maybe some Jueluo fell from the sky, and some didn't fall from the sky." ”

Jia Daoshi was angry: "Ning Jiaoshi, can you be more shameless?" ”

"The surname of your country has nothing to do with Tong, Jueluo, and Jin. After all, it's hard to say whether your country surname has a surname or not. ”

"Even if you really have a name and no surname like the Mongols, you can say it generously, what is there to hide! Afraid of being embarrassed, isn't it? Take an inexplicable surname and our name to rob the Dajin country, I don't think it is better for you to simply change the country name, so as to save people embarrassment. ”

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Jianzhou Nuzhen is a savage

On October 13, the eighth year of Chongzhen, Huang Taiji personally denied any relationship between Manchu and Wanyan Jinguo:

On that day, Khan said: "The names of our country were originally Manchuria, Hada, Ula, Yehe, Huifa, etc., and only those who are ignorant are called Zhushen. Zhu Shen is the relatives of Xi Beichao Morgan, what does it have to do with us? From now on, all people should call our country Manchuria, and call it the sin of those who apply for it. ”

In the history of the Ming Dynasty cultivated by the Qing people, all the Jurchens in Manchuria's early Jianzhou were avoided. In addition, he took advantage of the opportunity of revising the "Siku Quanshu" to ban and delete the records of the Ming people on the history of the founding of the state. In this way, the historical facts of the founding of the state from the 14th century to the mid-17th century have become blank, resulting in a lack of sufficient historical basis for later scholars to study the historical development, customs, production conditions, and cultural life of Jurchen society.

The book "Guoyi" was not published at that time, so it was not deleted and modified by the four library officials.

In the book, it is recorded under the Xin Chou article in November of the first year of Yongle: "The leader of the Jurchen savages, Aha, came out and waited for the court. Set up the State Guard Military and Civilian Command and Envoy Division".

In February of the second year of Yongle, the article was deceitful: "Putting the slave and the guard", betting: "The female straight savage".

In August of the eighth year of Yongle, Yi Mao article: "Jianzhou Wei commanded Shi Jianu to be the commander of the capital, and gave the name Li Xianzhong", bet: "Shi Jianu, the son of Command Aha Chu".

If this statement is to be believed, then the Jianzhou Jurchen came from the "savage" region.

Because the Jianzhou Jurchens were outsiders and had a low level of civilization, it was only natural that Nurhachi was ridiculed by other neighboring Jurchen tribal leaders in his early years. It also makes sense that Jin Qiangqiang did not agree that they were of the same race as other Jurchen neighbors, but distinguished them from the Manchu "Manchu" and "Zhushen", and identified Zhushen as a slave of the Manchu.

The word Nurhachi adds a suffix "red" to the Manchu word "Nuergan". i.e. "nurgan+ci=nurgaci"

"Red" means "from...... and come". It has long been believed that it comes from "wild boar", which means "wild boar skin".

In fact, Nuergan can also be a "savage", and Nurhachi means "from the savage area".

According to the early years of Joseon, the Joseon state first thought that the name of the country of Houjin was Nurhachi, and later it was discovered that Nurhachi was the name of the chief.

In fact, it can be boldly speculated that there was no mistake in the early years of North Korea, and it may be that the Jianzhou Jurchen called themselves "Nurhachi", indicating that this ethnic group migrated from the Nuergan region. Or literally, it means "from a wild place", "from a wild man".

It is possible that the name of this group was converted to the name of the chief at some point. It makes sense that the North Korean translator Nurhachi is pronounced as "Lao Yi Kechi" as "Lao Ye Kechi", and his younger brother Shulhaqi is pronounced as "Xiao Yi Kechi", which is pronounced as "Xiao Ye Kechi".

Even Nurhachi may not be the bloodline of Ahacui/Li Xianzhong, but the "wild seed" in the Jianzhou Jurchens, which gave him such a name.

When Houjin was strong, he naturally wanted to get rid of his "savage" origin. First of all, there were all kinds of climbing wang clans, and then they changed their names to Manchu dwarf, and after entering the Central Plains, they simply banned the history of the founding of the state.

Due to Nurhachi's humiliation experience in his early years, Nurhachi insisted that his ancestors were people from heaven. However, there is no record of how to descend from heaven in various documents of Qing history - until Huang Taiji made up a story of three fairies in May of the eighth year of Chongzhen: there were three fairies bathing, and the gods brought a vermilion fruit in their mouths, and the youngest fairy ate it and gave birth to the ancestors of Manchuria.

The story of the Three Fairies was a big failure when it was first written, and it took a while for it to become a reality.

The first edition of the story of the Three Fairies in the first edition of "Manchu Old Files" takes place in Heilongjiang. This is most likely the true origin of the Nurhachi family. However, since the Manchurian Jurchens believed that they had originated in Changbai Mountain, the location in the story was changed to Changbai Mountain a few months later. Later official versions of the story took place in Changbai Mountain.

The previous editions of the Tale of the Three Fairies did not resolve the contradictory relationship between Aisin Jueluo and the other Jueluos, namely the logical paradoxes proposed by Daoist Jia in this chapter. Later, it was revised to: After the ancestor grew up, the three fairies told the ancestor that your surname is Aixin Jueluo. In other words, to turn the paradox that could not be justified at all into an unquestionable axiom: the rules of the fairies, that's it, and there is no why.

The legend of the three fairies of Huang Taiji not only explained the story of Nurha Chiyuan in "The Horse Jacket", but also cleared up the relationship between the Manchu royal family and Wanyan Jin and Jueluo Zhao. According to Pu Yi, he believed in this story before leaving the Forbidden City.