August 2, 1940

Day. The pen "Fun" Pavilion www.biquge.info on the way to the south of Liao.

Xiao Lu said: "Aren't you going to study the things of war? ”

Wan Quance: "Tie the pull, tie the pull." I have a lot of problems pulling. "Got a whole bunch of questions.

Xiao Lu avoided answering specific questions, and said, "If you want to know the answer, you need to start from the beginning." In the international situation, Germany occupied France, occupied the Netherlands, occupied Belgium, and also occupied some countries in Northern Europe. This was a huge blow to the confidence of the anti-fascist camp. ”

Wan Quance: "So, domestic confidence has also been affected? ”

Xiaolu said: "It has been affected, and intellectuals and politicians and military strategists are especially affected. At present, everyone is looking at the southern battlefield in China. ”

Wang Santai said: "The situation in the south is very unfavorable. Since the defeat of the Battle of Wuhan in 38 and the fall of Wuhan and Guangzhou in October, the Japanese army has not had the strength to launch a major campaign, and the war has entered a phase of stalemate. Last September, in September 1939, the Japanese army attacked Changsha and began the Battle of Changsha. ”

Xiaolu said: "Not bad. The Battle of Changsha was fought and has been in a stalemate. The Japanese army also fought several battles in Yichang and other places. At present, the Japanese army's policy has changed, from the theory of quick victory to a protracted war. Emphasis was placed on the elimination of our troops and other guerrilla units fighting behind enemy lines, avoiding frontal battles and intensifying the political offensive. ”

Wan Quance: "Wang Jingwei is a result of Japan's political offensive. ”

Xiaolu said: "Not bad. The plan to win over Wang Jingwei is called Mei work. The Japanese have done work with almost all the warlord forces. Today, the Japanese army has one of the most important objects of a political offensive. ”

Wang Santai said: "Old Jiang." You said that. Isn't it a Kiriku job in Japan. ”

Xiaolu said: "Yes. Wang Jingwei had already defected to the enemy, and the Japanese snubbed him, although there were reasons for the change of the Japanese government, but more importantly, they were waiting for Lao Chiang's reply. Now it may be that Lao Jiang doesn't want to surrender, so the devil will help Wang Jingwei to power first. ”

Wan Quance: "Makes sense. These two people, after all, Lao Jiang's value is much higher. ”

Xiaolu said: "If the devil doesn't beat Lao Jiang, then Lao Jiang will pull out his hand and engage in friction with us." At the critical juncture of the Anti-Japanese War, he was able to send troops to fight us, which shows that he has the bottom in his heart and knows that the Japanese will not fight him. Therefore, Mao Gongcai put forward the 16-character policy: people don't offend me, I don't offend people. If anyone sins against me, I will offend. ”

Wang Santai said: "Last time we analyzed, Lao Jiang and the Japanese are still in contact. ”

Xiaolu said: "Lao Jiang's contact with the Japanese has not been in a day or two, but in 37 years. ”

Wan Quance: "At that time, it started? ”

Xiaolu said: "There are diplomatic ties with Japan, and diplomatic channels will not be interrupted. As a country, as long as it is above board, there is nothing to blame, and it cannot be too reluctant. Know Toddman? That German ambassador to China. ”

Wan Quance: "This person knows. He was also introduced in the monthly bulletin of the situation briefing a few days ago. ”

"From October 1937 to January 1938, under the orders of the German government, Todman carried out a series of secret diplomatic activities in order to seek an armistice and peace, which led to the Japanese inducement and the Nanjing Nationalist Government, and the Nanjing Nationalist Government's attempted compromise with Japan. ”

Wan Quance: "Is there such a thing? The old few are working hard in front, and he is making moves with devils. ”

Wang Santai said: "It's not Lao Ji, it's Lao Tzu." This southerner, the tongue is too hard. ”

Xiaolu said: "At that time, the devil put forward several articles, which means that I should occupy the place, let me sell the things, and the puppet regime should admit it, oppose the Communist Party, that is, sever relations with the Soviet Union. Lao Jiang said: When it reaches the state before the July 7 Incident, I will make peace, otherwise I will fight. ”

Wan Quance: "What happened later? ”

Xiaolu said: "Later, the Japanese saw that they had not taken China for three months, so they slowed down the conditions. On November 28, Todman visited Kong Xiangxi in Hankow, and the next day, held talks with Foreign Minister Wang Chonghui to convey Guangtian's intentions. The conditions were in the hands of Lao Chiang, who summoned the military leaders in Nanjing to solicit everyone's opinions on the terms of the Japanese peace talks. I wasn't asked to attend that meeting, and I heard about it afterwards. Everyone believed that this time Japan did not demand the establishment of an autonomous regime in North China, did not demand recognition of the puppet Manchukuo, nor demanded reparations, and the conditions were not harsh. Chiang said that this condition was not a condition for the death of the country, and he decided to accept German mediation and negotiate peace with Japan. ”

Wang Santai said: "He doesn't insist on returning to the state before the July Seven Incident." But the fact is that the peace negotiation was not successful. ”

Xiaolu said: "At that time, the Japanese were too arrogant. In early December, Chiang met with Todman and said that China was ready to accept mediation. However, when the Japanese were told the news, Hirota said that the conditions of a month ago were no longer good, and now Nanjing was about to fall. The Japanese put forward four conditions, which were very harsh. This was unacceptable to Lao Chiang, and mediation failed. ”

Wan Quance: "Now, the national army is losing and retreating again, and peace negotiations are definitely underway." At the end of last year, in February of this year, wasn't the Battle of Guinan conducted? It was said that our army was victorious and drove the Japanese army out of Guinan. If you win, you should be rewarded for your merits, why do you still dismiss so many generals. Apparently a failure, self-deception. It's miserable. ”

Wang Santai said: "In the battle of Yizao that just ended, Yichang was lost, and Zhang Zizhong was killed. ”

Xiaolu said: "So what should we do in this situation?" ”

Wan Quance: "At the last meeting, everyone discussed the need to fight a battle to boost the morale of the people of the whole country. That's what I thought, too. ”

Xiaolu said: "We have all thought of it, so can everyone in the customs not think of it?" ”

Wang Santai said: "So, the troops in the Guannai will definitely fight?" We cooperate? ”

Xiaolu said: "Let's think about it again, if the eight roads in the gate are hit, where will they fight?" If they fight, how will the devils be mobilized? After the devil is mobilized, how can we fight to hit the devil's sore spot? When is the best time to fight? ”

Wang Santai said: "I think we have to consider an opportunity. What is the best time? ”

Wan Quance: "Wait a little longer, wait for the Japanese army to move some distance south?" Anyway, we can't wait too long, if it takes too long, maybe the national army will surrender, and then the Japanese army will press all its military strength on our heads. ”

Wang Santai said: "Yes." But you forgot to calculate the puppet army, not only the Japanese army, but also the national army that surrendered to Japan will also fight us. At that point, oops, I can't think about it. ”

Xiao Lu said: "If we seize an opportunity, the news of Lao Jiang's surrender will be made public, and many people already know that when Lao Jiang is about to tear off the fig leaf on his face, we will fight again." At this moment, Lao Jiang's prestige was swept away, and our prestige was raised. What would that be the situation? If the anti-Japanese situation is good, will Lao Chiang still surrender? Is the time ripe for a big war right away? I don't think so. Okay, in the evening, we will sort out the conversation between the three of us, send it back to the Northeast Bureau, and send it to Yan'an. ”

Wang Santai said: "I suggest that it be sorted out and sent back immediately." ”

Xiaolu said: "That's a good idea. ”

Wan Quance: "Herald, order all to stop advancing and immediately find a camp and set up camp." Quickly build a field battle and build a headquarters. ”

This was later known as the Horseback Meeting.