"And it will be different to let private capital participate, as we all know, the essence of capital is to chase profits. For example, two factories that also produce water cups, in order to pursue more profits, may start to fight some price wars, but later, they find that this price war is a way to harm others, so what to do? The best way is to produce more suitable and beautiful cups, which requires these factories to invest manpower and material resources to do research, and this research is the best key to promote scientific and technological progress. Luo Jian pointed to the water glass in front of him and said.

"It's like there's a piece of gold in front of you, if there's only one person to pick it up, I guess he won't be in too much of a hurry, and he'll walk over slowly and take it, but what if there's two people? In fact, this is competition, and factories and enterprises under the state monopoly will inevitably lack competition, and in the long run, it will hinder the development of the country and the progress of society. ”

In fact, there are many advantages and disadvantages of state-owned enterprises, and Luo Jian only analyzed them from the perspective of the harm caused by monopoly.

"Xinghua, then why don't you let these businessmen take a stake in the railroad and the fertilizer factory? After these people participate in the shares, they will definitely build more and more factories, and won't this create competition? Shi Kefa asked with some confusion.

"It is the trend for the fertilizer plant to let private capital enter in the future, but now is not the time, the reason is that we all understand that we now have to let the farmers who account for the vast majority of the society solve the problem of food and clothing as soon as possible, so now the profits of the fertilizer plant are almost negligible, if it is handed over to businessmen now, the improvement of farmers' living standards will be delayed for a long time."

When Luo Jian said this, everyone nodded, Shi Kefa actually understood this. The reason for the question. I want everyone to understand.

"Of course, the fertilizer plant can't let them in now, and the reason why it's important that people don't know. If chemical fertilizers can be produced, then the production of new ZHA drugs should not be a problem, and this technology cannot be disclosed at the moment, right? ”

Only Luo Jian, Liu Weimin, and Shi Kefa understood this, and it was the first time that the others had heard of it.

"This Shen Tong really doesn't know the height of the sky, and he went directly into the eyes of money, if he knew this, I'm afraid he wouldn't dare to say that he wants to take a stake in the fertilizer factory, right?" Yuan Jixian said with a smile.

"As for the railway, they are not allowed to participate in the shares, it is because the investment in the construction of the railway is very large. If they are involved, it will not only be difficult to consider the whole country, but it will also create a disorderly situation, where many railways will be built in areas with good economic development, and there will be no development for a long time in economically poor areas, which is not what we want to see. ”

In fact, Luo Jian knows that the profits of railways are extremely high, and the country's future infrastructure construction needs a lot of funds, and taxes alone are certainly not enough, and the government must master some high-profit industries to ensure the funds needed for future infrastructure construction.

"It's a bit too far, to say it again. Although the current industry and commerce have just started, the future will be the trend of great development. In the process of development, these people in the business community, namely businessmen, will become an extremely important force in our society. Whether to deny them access to the administration of the state, or to involve them, is the time when we should think. Luo Jian didn't want to go too far on the topic, so he returned to the original topic.

Hearing Luo Jian say this, everyone fell silent.

Except for Luo Jian and Liu Weimin, everyone else in the cabinet, including Shi Kefa, has received a generation of Confucian education, and since the Ming Dynasty, the suppression of the status of businessmen has formed an inherent concept in their hearts, and now Luo Jian proposed to let businessmen enter the management of the country, which is really difficult for them to accept.

Seeing that everyone didn't speak, Luo Jian knew that it was indeed too early to raise this question, and it was not easy to change the concept that a person had formed throughout his life just by preaching.

But what makes Luo Jian happy is that the group of people here are at least pure nationalists, they hope that the country will be strong and not bullied, and they hope that the people can live a good life.

Although many of everyone's concepts cannot be completely unified at present, the common goal determines that everything can be discussed slowly, and Luo Jian feels that when it develops to that point in the future, their understanding will change.

"Xinghua, let's talk about this later, right? Isn't there yet? Shi Kefa was a little hesitant, among these people, he had read a lot of books brought back by Luo Jian, and he accepted new ideas much more than others, and even his concepts had not changed, let alone others.

Hearing Shi Kefa say this, Luo Jian also felt that he was a little anxious, whether it was economically or militarily, with the current power in the hands of the Nanjing government, it was indeed not possible for these emerging bourgeoisie to stir up the storm in a short period of time, and this incident fully confirmed this.

Judging from this incident specifically, Luo Jian felt that Shi Kefa and everyone had not learned enough lessons from it, and in their opinion, the government, like the imperial court in the past, should have supreme authority, and it was intolerable to accuse or blackmail the government with everything.

Although Luo Jian knew that with his current position in the government, and also knew that it was the general trend to let people from the business community participate in the management of the government, he could decide this matter in one word, and it was estimated that Shi Kefa would not object too much, but Luo Jian would not do it.

People have a process of understanding any new thing, and now there are many new things in southern China, and along with these new things, a new class has also emerged, how to deal with these new situations and the new situation that is about to be formed. For Luo Jian, although there are some forming experiences in another time and space that can be used for reference and reference, these are just some regular things, involving specific situations, and there are many differences from that time and space.

In another time and space, the era when all this happened was one or two hundred years later, many economic theories and social theories have appeared, and in this era all this is still blank, Luo Jian is not an economist, nor is he a theorist, let him create a theoretical system, neither the ability nor the energy.

There is a saying that practice without theory is blind, and theory without practice is empty.

Luo Jian now has this kind of confusion, although the current industry and commerce in the south are developing rapidly, everyone seems to be busy making money, and no one is thinking about or summarizing the laws of economic development. In terms of scientific and technological development, it seems that the same problem exists, and the current scientific and technological development is more practical, and there are not many people interested in theoretical things.

After the meeting, Luo Jian returned to the mansion and talked about this issue with Liu Lan and Liu Weimin at the dinner table in the evening, and Liu Lan and Liu Weimin also realized something, but they were not as comprehensive as Luo Jian's consideration.

After eating, several people came to the hall and sat down to continue the discussion, and after a while, the old lady and Shi Kefa's family also came over.

It may be that she is in a better mood and her living conditions have improved a lot, and the old lady has become more and more energetic in the past two years, and her body looks much tougher than before.

The first thing the old lady did when she came was naturally to find Xiao Luo Ting, Xiao Luo Ting already knew how to walk, and he was not very stable when he staggered, the old lady followed behind lest he fall down, but Luo Jian and Liu Lan didn't care at all, how could a child learn to walk without wrestling? Just fall down and get up.

Shi Kefa sat on the sofa and watched Luo Jian and Liu Lan have some doubts about their son's learning to walk, "You two are not afraid that he will fall?" ”

"Physically, a child has a low center of gravity, and even if he falls, he will not fall too hard. In terms of a child's education, he will learn more from falling a few times, and he may have much less wrestling in the future. Luo Jian said with a smile.

"Xinghua, how did I hear anything else from your words? Do you think the same way at this afternoon's meeting, I know you may be right, but our minds just can't turn, are you also waiting for us to get up after we fall? Shi Kefa reacted quickly, stared at Luo Jian and asked.

"Brother Xian, our family Liulan has made a lot of money in the past few years, and now I'm afraid she is going to be the richest man in the whole south, right?" Luo Jian didn't answer Shi Kefa's question and changed the subject.

"Yes, you said in the afternoon that you want to let the capitalists participate in the management of the country, I think you want Liu Lan to enter the government, right?" Shi Kefa said with a smile.

"I didn't want to enter the government, but Xinghua and I both thought about how to start spending money." Liu Lan said beside her.

"Spending money? You two want to spend all the money and not leave it to my grandson at all? The old lady had good ears and heard Liu Lan's words.

"Why do you leave money for him? We will leave him a better 'wealth'. Liu Lan said with a smile.

"What wealth is there but money?" The old lady took Thunder by the hand, stood up straight, and asked with a frown.

"We will teach him knowledge, teach him to be a hard worker, mother, can you say that this is not the best wealth?" Liu Lan tilted her head and said to the old lady.

"I can't say you, it's your son anyway, and my old woman won't see that day." The old lady glanced at Liu Lan dissatisfied.

"Mother, you will definitely live a long life, and you still have to bring a son to Ting'er." Liu Lan said with a smile.

"Xinghua, how are you going to spend it? What does that mean exactly? Shi Kefa's attention is still on "spending money", he knows that Liu Lan is almost as rich as the country now, and all this money will have to be spent, which will have a great impact on the entire society.

"We have discussed and are ready to build a few more universities, and these universities should focus on theoretical research, and today we have discussed several times, and we think that we are too lacking in theoretical research, whether in the humanities, or in the economy and science and technology, we are too concerned about practicality, and lack of systematic research, this is not a good phenomenon, and in the long run, it will inevitably restrict the development of society." Luo Jian said very cautiously, and Liu Lan nodded beside him.

Shi Kefa didn't understand it a little, Luo Jian told him about the significance of theory guiding practice, and Shi Kefa finally understood a little.

"Schmidt, this is a good thing, I absolutely support it. But how many universities are built at the same time, where are so many students? It's almost unreliable to let those scholars study the way of the saints, and let them study what you said, right? Still, Scofa had doubts.

"It is precisely because there are fewer people engaged in theoretical research that we want to build such a university, let's take our time, first build one in Hangzhou, wait for the whole country to recover, and then build one in Beijing, and slowly always cultivate some talents." Luo Jian is not too worried, with the guidance of university tendencies, there will be more and more people engaged in theoretical research. (To be continued.) )