Author: Wooden Cabin

Book friends who discussed together: White Waves Collapse Clouds, MyMachinegun, Substructure

A preliminary study of the Battle of Shandong

Whether or not it can continue to expand the results of the battle by taking advantage of the momentum of this victory depends on the combat strength of the Haidong Army, so according to the Haidong Army's capture of Shandong and maintaining a balanced situation with Tianbe, as well as the performance of the Haidong Army's Liaodong, Chahan made the decision to continue the march. Was this decision wrong? First, the intelligence of both sides is limited and cannot be fully assessed, and second, the Haidong Army has a firm foothold, and both sides are crossing the river, but the Chahan Army is already a world-renowned strong army, and the Haidong Army is only one of the strong ones. His strategy is also difficult to find faulty, besieging Jinan and Tai'an was unsuccessful, and he immediately decided to point to Yidu, and captured the thief first to capture the king!

Xiao Deng's response is quite good, and the two reinforcements sent are all elite and strong generals, so that the guards are not enough, and it can even be said that it is a little risky, it can be seen that Xiao Deng's thinking is to drag!

After that, Zi Yue wrote very brilliantly, and both Chahan and Xiao Deng made good moves, and in the absence of major mistakes in strategy and tactics, the final result was to look at the combat effectiveness of the troops.

I personally disagree with some of the ideas in the book review.

1, Zi said: Xiao Deng used the propaganda of later generations to transform the army. This role is actually expanded by politics, and since ancient times, there has been the indoctrination of loyalty to the monarch and the family, which is no less than the religious brainwashing of a certain party, and there is another reason that is explained below.

2. A certain party does not care about the territory, but cares about annihilating the enemy's living forces. This statement is specious. The reason is the same as the second point from the point above. Specifically:

After the Anti-Japanese War, * snatched a batch of weapons from the Japanese army, and then, * won the victory of the Liaoshen Campaign, which has many fames. First, * to obtain a complete modern industrial, agricultural, and commercial base, and the transportation is also the most developed in the country, without this base camp, * rely on the poor mountains and bad waters of Yan'an to support a full-scale war; Second, according to the composition of the troops, the war did not rely on the so-called brainwashing practice propagated later, and the reputation of the national army in the northeast was not inferior to *, that is to say, the victory of the Liaoshen Campaign, there was not much brainwashing in it, and the other troops in the Central Plains had more soldiers, most of them were barefoot and bitter, and they were easy to fool, not to mention that the combat exploits of the * army were too prominent, and other troops did not work hard, it was precisely because the conditions were different, I don't think Xiao Deng's brainwashing introduced into later generations was of much use, strictly speaking, Lao Mao doesn't have any innovation, he loves to read ancient texts, whether he is engaged in politics or military, he just learns from the ancients and adds a little background of the times, Xiao Deng copied it back, it seems ridiculous; Thirdly, why do you say that you don't grab land? Because it didn't have enough troops to occupy it at the beginning! As for the living forces that can annihilate the enemy, it is because there is a well-armed army of * Siye, millet plus rifles, which are cannon fodder, used to block roads, to form a main force duel, and ultimately rely on artillery. If we don't look at these premises, it would be biased to say anything about the elimination of living forces. Who said that if you want to destroy Zhao Guo's reinforcements first, you have to block his retreat first, in addition, cold weapon fighting, like Zhao Guo, who wants to defend it, is really difficult to break, or Zhuge Liang won't have to vomit blood. Of course, if the defender is a mediocre general, or if the attacker throws cannon fodder into it at all costs, that's another matter.

In addition, it is recommended that Zi Yue stop plagiarizing poetry or anything. Human beings are forgetful and adaptable animals, not to mention crossing, that is, the situation of emigrating to other places, foreign countries, etc., let alone crossing such a completely severed connection. That is to say, the author will want to move modern things over when he crosses modern times and ancient times with one foot, not to mention, the westernization of modern China is extremely serious, and the cultural and ideological faults are very serious, and there is no soil for transplantation at all, and most things are untenable.

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White Waves: Basically agree.

However, there is one thing, word of mouth does not equal brainwashing. Good reputation is supported by the people, but the contribution of the people of Liaoshen is not as good as that of Huaihai. * The key is that the brainwashed soldiers are not afraid of death, and the generals work together. * Suppressed the position, and changed the chairman's order. The national army was not in harmony, and Bai Chongxi once forced * to have no choice, but Lao Jiang made peace. In the immediate battle, he actively changed the commander, overstepped the command, and worked hard for the national army as well as brainwashing*, look at the Battle of Tashan.

The best performing unit of the national army is still a group of college students, I forgot whether it was in Shenyang, it ran out of ammunition and food and would never surrender, and its knowledge was high and it was not bewitched by Marxism-Leninism, which gave * a lot of trouble.

Wooden House: After the victory of the Anti-Japanese War, it took only 4 years to complete the reversal and occupy the whole country, which is simply a miracle in the history of the world, and the first turning point is the Northeast, what is the main reason? The reason for not being afraid of death is unreasonable, bandits have always been like this, and it is almost impossible to achieve anything. I guess it will be the USSR ...

Bai Lang Bangyun: I'm not just talking about not being afraid of death. Look at the treatment of the foreign Xiao Zhuge , miserable! Look at the blind command of *, and look at the infighting of the generals of the national army.

Besides, thousands of people are not afraid of death is a quantitative change (bandits), tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of people are not afraid of death is a quantitative change (*, hehe), Tashan is something that no bandit can play, without Tashan, the battle must be rewritten. It's also risky to win.

At this time, the Soviet Union did not have the courage to call Taiwan with Sam, the two countries negotiated, and it was enough for the American personnel to occupy Japan, and North Korea was ready to give up North Korea under the nose of the Soviet Union, and as a result, the first tentative plan was passed by the polar bear, otherwise there would be a Syngman Rhee affair? Stalin even wanted to befriend *, giving up the old Mao. * Desperately working hard to say good things before accepting the Soviet occupation area, he once scolded Lao Maozi. The Soviet Union even used a World War I rifle to support China in the Korean War, and it did not vigorously assist China when it tore its face with the United States, and there would be no such responsibility. None of the Nationalist forces listed the Soviet Union as a major factor.

Sometimes the heaven and the earth are all working together, Yan'an used a broken plane to send the main generals and cadres of Liaoshen to the northeast, so bold that the people present trembled, and then Bogu Yeting encountered * I am afraid that I will lose this world.

Wooden Cabins: Commanding Superiors, Mountaineering,* also exist.

Tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands are not afraid of death, this is at most the reason for the later brainwashing, mainly * a few leaders are more bandits, will fight at critical moments, look at Jinzhou, * will hesitate when the army is not dominant, one is his own lineage, reluctant, second, the college was born easy to have this problem, and third, he may have this problem with his own personality (otherwise he would not run away later, why don't you study Li Shimin is desperate), the result is that he is pressed to fill in cannon fodder.

* This eagerness and speculative mentality is thought to be a major factor that led to the later * .

Although it is said that hooligan bandits do not necessarily win the world, but the one who wins the world must be hooligan bandits, Lao Jiang is also a hooligan, and his roots are red and seedlings, but it is a pity to meet Lao Mao's gang of bandits, which is in response to a sentence, no one is afraid of hooligans, they are afraid of bandits, nemesis.

mymachinegun: "The reputation of the national army in the northeast is no less than *", I don't think so! Do you know what "robbery" is? After the victory of the Anti-Japanese War, the acceptance of GMD went to the occupied areas to loot on a large scale, and the "five sons of Dengke" ---did not pull houses, cars, seats, tickets, and women, and robbed the confidence of the people. They all say: I want the central government, I hope for the central government, and the central government will suffer even more when it comes! There are even two or several big people in a factory, you have to get the machine, I have the factory, he has the raw materials, and the factory stops working! Worse than the Japanese occupation. The common people in the occupied areas were swept away by the Japanese devils, and the GMD robbers came to collect and scrape again, and the common people lived on the line of life and death. * Enter the Northeast, establish the production order, and resume production. Compared with the two, * has a much better reputation than GMD in the Northeast. In 48, land reform began, and the rent and interest reductions since the Anti-Japanese War were stopped, and the land was directly distributed to the peasants. When the peasants got their hands on the land that they had been dreaming about for thousands of years, they naturally had to defend their property. The common people know that they can't let the returning group come back and suffer two crimes! Actively support* operations. At the same time, the captured soldiers of the GMD were instigated: "The family has divided the fields for you!" Go back to your hometown and divide the fields! At the same time, the officers and soldiers are unanimous, the cadres take the lead, endure hardships first, and enjoy pleasures last. ---This is what you call "brainwashing" people, who are not stupid, * give the people the benefits that they can see and touch, and naturally follow *. In this way, with logistics, soldiers, and the war command of * cadres, it will be devastated!

Since ancient times, one of the greatest advantages of the rebels over those in power is that the rebels can confiscate the property of the wealthy, who "make up a small part of the population, but control the majority of the total wealth", and distribute it to the broad masses of the people, who "make up the majority of the population but control a small part of the total wealth", in order to gain support, thereby strengthening themselves and reversing the balance of power with the state apparatus.

Substructure: When the polar bear left, he cleared all the Japanese arsenal to *, which is why the army of the later * was so strong in combat, because the ammunition consumed by the pre-war training was enough to fight another Liaoshen campaign. There is also aid to North Korea, the MiG corridor has been opened up, how can you still give rifles for the First World War?

White Waves Collapse Clouds: It is a matter of course that Japanese weapons are given to comrades. The Soviets have crushed the tanks to death many times, and they can't look down on the devil's mountain artillery. At that time, the strongest army in the world would look up to Japan's Murata Sanhachi and mountain artillery? If you want to fight against the United States, let * fight with flesh and blood, such weapons are still inferior. Speaking of which, I want to curse, the Soviet Union also sent a lot of the best tank T-34 at that time to the Golden Stick, which killed Syngman Rhee to death, and the first batch of tanks aided by the United States was jokingly called the thin iron coffin, and later sent more advanced tanks and planes to knock down the North Stick, which was seriously damaged.

Look at the records of the Korean War, forget about the rifles of the First World War, and even have Zhang Zhidong's Hanyang-made (the Soviet Union's method of updating weapons is really high).* I originally wanted to mess with Stalin. The Soviet-German war left a seat at every table in the USSR, Stalin cherished human life, there are so many Chinese, how can you not let the younger brother be a gun for the eldest brother?

That's it, I almost didn't get it. Stalin bet on both sides, and did not dare to offend the United States. The American weapons are good, and in the Korean War, the Chinese showed the ability of shocking piracy, and even imitated the advanced American artillery in Sichuan, and in the early stage of the Korean War, the infantry was the protagonist. In the later stages of the Korean War, artillery reigned supreme. (I also want to scold that the polar bear actually gave Ke Qiusha to the sticks.) This treatment ... ）

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Second Exploration of the Battle of Shandong:

Chahan attacked Shandong, with the same purpose as Deng She, to occupy Shandong. But Xiao Deng is different from Tian Feng, Tian Feng is the head of the snake, the old nest is basically not sung, Chahan and Deng She's foundation is not in Shandong, the main purpose of taking Shandong is to expand, and the victory or defeat between each other does not affect the foundation. Therefore, Chahan's strategic goals are twofold:

The first is to defeat Tian Feng with a thunderous momentum and defeat the head snake on the ground, which was completed beautifully, further verifying the strength of the Chahan army. Of course, the strong must have a very high opinion of themselves in their eyes, although they are not in a situation where they have no more to spare.

The second is to drive out Xiao Deng with the momentum of defeating Tianbe, and finally occupy the entire territory of Shandong, for Chahan, it is not a good thing to fight with the Haidong Army in Shandong, this should be Polo's work, it stands to reason that Xiao Deng's foundation is not in Shandong, in any case the Polo Army is the henchman of the Haidong Army. This one is only halfway done and it gets stuck, why? Let's start with the reason why Chahan thinks that Xiao Deng will not fight to the death in Shandong.

Reasons why Chahan believes that the Haidong Army will be defeated in Shandong:

1. The Haidong Army is facing a two-way battle, and the Polo Army is here to fight the nest, in any case, the main forces of Haidong should be deployed for this way, otherwise even if Deng Bu has a firm foothold in Shandong, there is no Liaoli, what is the difference between it and Wang Shicheng at the beginning.

2, the Chahan army has good combat power and obvious military advantages, although the Haidong army guards the city and takes advantage, after all, the gap is too big, even if there are reinforcements, according to the analysis of the above point, the number is always limited, not to mention that the Haidong army has taken the king at the beginning, the heel is not stable, and the people's hearts are not attached, in such a situation, how can the Haidong army hold on? ! As long as the Haidong Army is driven away from Shandong, he can consolidate his territory while watching the Polo Army and the Haidong Army fight to the death, and then decide the next step depending on the process and results. Don't fight? Compared with the fact that our ministry has captured Shandong, how can you Polo explain to the imperial court?

3. The Chahan army's victory over Tianbu has a little tentative significance for the strategic goal, and the result satisfies the Chahan army, and also lays the tone that the Chahan army will quickly take Shandong, and the faster you attack, you can't rescue, don't you have to escape? !

It can be seen that the root of the Chahan army's current inability to complete the strategic goal is in the first article, and it is impossible for the Polo army to cooperate, and if he is Polo, he must first let the Chahan army and the Haidong army fight to the death (it is best to lose both), so no matter whether you are prepared for Polo or not, I Chahan will drive you over first, which is called driving wolves and fighting tigers. Xiao Deng's subordinates have persuaded Xiao Deng to break through many times, and even Deng She himself has been shaken, which shows that this trick is of course a clever move, and it is ruthless enough, even if you are expelled, you will be skinned first.

However, Xiao Deng eventually persevered, why? First, there are not many options for Xiao Deng, since Polo is not moving, Chahan's attack is imminent, and it is impossible to deal with it, of course, some people can cope with it by fledging with a single shot, but the Haidong Army's response is fierce and bloody. Second, with the growth of Xiao Deng's career, he himself has also continued to grow, and the ambition to compete in the world has been gradually established. What's more, since ancient times, who took the world was not a middle-class attack and a dangerous victory, when Xiao Deng took Liao and Li was not fought with a knife and a gun, how could it be obtained by standing on the shoulders of others (digression: The king who immediately won the world in history, which is not the energetic and hormonally developed lord, Xiao Deng is a lustful and good wife, it is indeed the law of history, the law of biology, and the law of the founding of the country, then again, it is not how to take the world by hooligans), for Xiao Deng, who is gradually becoming eloquent, this battle must not only be fought, but also won!

Xiao Deng's insistence is Chahan's miscalculation, but this point is difficult to blame, because from another point of view, it can also be considered that Xiao Deng is a mediocre person who does not know the general trend, does not know the overall situation, and does not distinguish between priorities, or a stupid person who is trying to die in vain, this is just the internal cause of Chahan's failure, and the table of Chahan's failure is a lack of troops! In other words, in case of encountering a stinky and hard one like the Haidong Army, Chahan is not well prepared! From another point of view, there is only one possibility for Chahan to break the situation, and that is to harvest the fields early!

First of all, it is impossible to explain any behavior beyond the strategic situation and military intelligence at that time, under the circumstances, Chahan and Deng She's tricks are almost unmistakable, and both sides can be called famous generals in terms of tactical arrangements, the only difference is that Xiao Deng quickly prepared reinforcements, while Chahan did not prepare, or rather, did not incorporate Tianbu as a reinforcement \ reserve force in time! In other words, Chahan was not cautious enough, or he did not have the qualifications to become a British lord, and he fought a quick war, but he did not stay longer and leave the follow-up troops early, just in case!

Just imagine, if Chahan sent 3,000 troops to maintain pressure on Tianbe at the same time after breaking through the field, he could speed up the process of Tianbe's surrender, and this oppressive force was "idle" than any later army when it was useless, and once it was useful, it would be more effective than any later army, and it would become the last straw that crushed the Haidong army!

It can be seen that the rise of the founding king is not accidental, even if it is from the grass and from ordinary people, but it is also gold mixed in the sand, and it is by no means an ordinary person.

Chahan's final defeat is a certainty. After this battle, Deng She will eventually grow into a peerless hero.