Ye Hua: "It's definitely too late to talk about the specific theory of metabolism, and Professor Chen will definitely have more say than me when talking about the specific theory of metabolism, so I will briefly mention my own opinion, what is the difference between the Chinese plan and the West, in fact, what I said is definitely incomplete." ”

Zhao Xin: "I would like to hear about it." ”

Ye Hua nodded: "First of all, I think the title of Adam Smith is wrong - the wealth of the country. In fact, we know that wealth is a virtual number, and it is completely constructed by power, but the really difficult thing, the increasingly detailed international division of labor, how to cooperate, the most difficult thing for railway workers is to cooperate, especially during the peak period of the Spring Festival, if this train comes over, there is no call, and the two trains collide with each other, and it will be over. ”

Zhao Xin: "Puff...... I just pinched off that part. ”

Ye Hua: "...... Therefore, the real advanced part of our Chinese program lies in the increasingly developed international division of labor, I can say that the ability of Chinese people to coordinate and dispatch the division of labor and cooperation far exceeds that of Western developed countries, of course, more than other developing countries, so our characteristic is the coordination mechanism of division of labor and competition, like some Weibo public knowledge of the big V and the 'leading party' every day to know to shout openness, so how to open up? He won't talk about this and won't talk about it. ”

"So how do we Chinese people open up? The independent type of opening up is not the forced type of opening up that was fought in the Opium War, nor is it the dependent opening like Eastern Europe and the Philippines, who do they rely on? The West, frankly speaking, is the United States. So where is the middle-income trap, you only have the trap of relying on the economy. ”

"Argentina was richer than the United States, and the result? Become the first in history to fall from a developed country to a developing country, you dare to believe it, now rely on the US economy, especially on the US finance, such an economy will collapse if it says collapse, and you can see the inflation rate in Latin America. ”

"So openness is not the same as success, openness may die faster, some big Vs on Weibo, the so-called 'leading party' they ...... When the storm comes, you are still shouting that we should open up, then you must at least know that when it rains heavily, you must go into the eaves to take shelter from the rain, and enter the harbor to take shelter from the wind. And there is a group of people in the country whose strategy is to respond to all changes with the same, and the opening up will be over, and the storm is coming...... Shout open! The sun is out...... Shout open! If you sleep at night and still shout openness, you must at least keep pace with the times and adapt to local conditions. ”

"So I think that China's independent opening up is organically combined with the reform of the 'dual-track system', what is the 'dual-track system'? It is necessary to balance stability and innovation. ”

Zhao Xin: "In terms of innovation, Mr. Ye, you may have the most say in scientific and technological innovation. ”

Ye Hua: "Whether it is scientific and technological innovation or other innovations, there is no doubt that your innovation must be a subversive process, so historically, many subversive processes are accompanied by revolution, turmoil or the Great Depression, even if it is lighter, at least labor pains are inevitable, right, so we think this invention in China is an unprecedented plan or experience, a Chinese plan, a Chinese experience." ”

"It's a dual-track system!"

"On the one hand, we will maintain social stability, and on the other hand, we will open up the Special Economic Zone. This time, we chose the establishment of our 'light of life', wireless power transmission technology, and unmanned autonomous driving technology in Huizhou, and frankly speaking, it was in Huidong New District as a pilot. Let's try it here for ten or eight years, if it's competitive, then open a bigger one, if you can't win, open a small one, it really won't work, kill it, I won't transmit the whole country and cause the whole social turmoil, right? So you see stability and innovation at the same time, right? In fact, you can have both fish and bear's paws here, and this is the advantage of the dual-track system. ”

"You said that we Chinese people have created such a set of theories to contribute to the world, I think the future history will prove the greatness of the Chinese plan, if according to the theory of neoclassical economics, what kind of shock therapy, then it will be over, it calls you to open up in an all-round way, you must know that we are such a super-large country, with a population of 1.4 billion or 5 billion, it is not allowed to make strategic mistakes, and the price is unbearable or even unbearable."

"The key lies in independent openness, not relying on openness or even being forced to open up, and relying on people will inevitably be controlled by others."

"So why can we be independent of what we want to do? The reason is very simple, we have an independent science and technology system, an independent national defense system, so we will have an independent financial policy if we go with the flow, our central bank policy is more independent than that of Germany and Japan, and the reason is also very simple, we don't have the old American garrison on our homeland, understand? ”

Zhao Xin smiled: "Let's be blunt, we have a reliable stick in our hands, who will make trouble with me, and have the ability to beat him back to his hometown." ”

Ye Hua nodded: "That's right, that's the truth." Therefore, I think that in the future, emerging market countries such as Latin America and the subcontinent will also use our Huaxia plan if they want to really take off. ”

"Another Chinese economy in scale and industrial cluster economy, speaking of us Chinese people may not know the blessing in the blessing, foreigners like Chinese cuisine is not unreasonable, our table has more than a dozen kinds of dishes, and Europe, the Americas, only meat without a few vegetables, then no."

"This represents the biodiversity of China, and now the large-scale production implemented in the United States, the United States has the Great Plains, which is much larger than ours, especially the large-scale production of food, which destroys the local biodiversity, which is more dangerous than nuclear war."

"The great changes in the global environment show that the Anglo-American model of division of labor has come to an end, destroying the environment, you may not know the terrible nature of the United States destroying local biodiversity, recently foreign media have reported more and more about what local rat disease can be transmitted to people, chicken disease to people, mad cow disease to people, and there has never been any animal cross-infection in history."

"That's what the American model is all about, why? Single-scale large-scale breeding in one place, and then can not get sick? Then you have to take antibiotics, and now antibiotics have failed, this disgusting cycle, the constant use of pesticides, destroying the earth's ecological environment and even threatening human genes. ”

"And the advantage of China she has economies of scale, because we are a super-large country, but the greater advantage is that we have a very complex natural environment with more mountains and less land, and the plains are extremely complex, our plains are less, and the United States can not be compared, and India is less than India, our country's geographical environment is complex and diverse, from west to east, from north to south, such an environment has created our agriculture to develop a variety of crop management, and then we have to eat what we have, and then include industrial products, household appliances, etc."

"If you look at the domestic home appliance market, there are at least three or four times more varieties than the American market, so the Americans say that they want to compete with us on an equal footing, and frankly we can't ask for it, you are open...... Speaking of automobiles, there are hundreds of car brands competing in the domestic market, is there one in the United States? No! There are hundreds of mobile phone manufacturers competing in China, but is there one in the United States? Nor did it! Your market economy status in the United States relies on the monopoly of scientific and technological hegemony represented by semiconductors, and I am the real market economy, and now the semiconductor monopoly has also been broken. ”

"The fierceness of competition in China's market economy is the highest in the world, and it is not an exaggeration to even describe it as miserable. Miserable, right? Which of the famous brands is not made out of hard work? And I don't dare to say how tragic it will be to be able to live tomorrow. ”

"How does this call us a non-market economy status? Therefore, when the Americans say that we do not refute and ignore it, it does not mean that you say that there is no market economy status, but this is simply a fact that is not subject to personal will. ”

"Therefore, Huaxia takes into account the economies of scale and industrial cluster economy, the Pearl River Delta, the Yangtze River Delta, etc., what parts are missing, you can give you a one-stop matching, we are the only country in the world with a complete industrial system, the only."

"Then I am optimistic that the United States, Europe, Japan and South Korea will not be able to compete with China, if the trade war continues, this is the reason why we will win, not because I am Chinese, nor because of my ideology."

"Again, our learning ability is actually more important than capital labor, so Huaxia is developing so fast, not because there is more capital, not because the labor force is young and abundant, but because of fast learning, why?"

"I think it is precisely the blockade of China by the West, during the embargo, a large number of engineers were trained, they would reverse engineer, buy a German equipment for you to dismantle, and after dismantling, you can build a new one, and then make it better and cheaper than your original goods, then of course your property rights and competitive advantages will be banned by me."

"Some people disdainfully say that we are copycats, and directly scold us for stealing technology, so did you make it for India? Did you make it for him in the Philippines? In fact, it is the government that forces the people to force the good to become prostitutes. ”

Zhao Xin blinked his eyes when he heard his last sentence, it sounded weird, and Ye Hua reacted quickly, and immediately said: "Uh, no, of course I'm not a prostitute, but you are an official and a people." But in fact, it makes sense to force good people to become prostitutes, many companies say that they are copycats, and they are originally good people, and you force others. Why? Because patent pricing is differential pricing, enterprises in developing countries should charge low patent fees, but the United States bullied us to charge higher patent fees than developed countries, not to mention that things are worse, so the copycat is also forced by you, and we are even willing to be slaughtered and you don't sell some equipment. ”

"Then if you want to call our enterprises not copycats, of course, it is okay, equal competition, this is the least, then you dare to publish how much you charge for the patent fees of enterprises in developed countries, and how much are you charging for our enterprises? Even if we are reduced to the level of developed countries on an equal footing, it is much lower than now, and they dare not publish the data, which is definitely a figure that is angry and resentful. ”

"The SIO World Semiconductor Industry Organization, which we led the establishment, has a special principle that stipulates that market enterprises in underdeveloped regions will be given preferential supplements, which you can read the content of the SIO Agreement."

"So don't say anything that is all yours, and then you take advantage of it, everyone knows it very well in their hearts, and it won't sound good to say it."

"Then the last one is that a far-sighted government can have long-term infrastructure construction, in order to have the foundation soil for development, the West side of the two ends of the three days of two mouths, a bill overturned and reconsidered, discussed and overturned, what power grid, high-speed rail and other long-term super projects to build? If you build a high-speed railway, my air transport business will be affected, this interest group will definitely oppose it, the income of the hotel business will go down, and it will also be opposed, and the nearby residents, the selection of routes, and the high noise will lead to a decline in the value of surrounding real estate, and they will not do it, and it doesn't matter that some people also don't do it, so why spend my taxpayers' money if I don't have any benefit? Oppose! ”

"So you see, if the West wants to engage in a big infrastructure project, it will be talking about it for ten or eight years."

In the end, Zhao Xin finally stopped asking questions with satisfaction, and said with a smile: "Thank you very much, Mr. Ye, for letting us look at the world from your perspective through this interview." ”

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