Interview Issue: Unknown

Location: Unknown

Interviewee: Wang Shengsheng

Chinese name: Wang Shengsheng

English name: angyisheng

Identity: Leader of the Eight Divisions

Occupation: Secretary of the General Office of the State Council and the General Office of the Military Commission of Zhong Yāng

That man may be the most terrifying and dangerous man I've ever met, but at the same time the most kingly man.

When I met him in his library, he was holding a blue book of China's financial development report, folding his legs and reading at a speed that was several times faster than a human being.

Don't doubt how I got close to this man who holds a major position in the State Department. With our real position, it's impossible for me to meet him, just because it's just an interview, so anything is possible.

Me: "Hello, Mr. Wang."

Wang Shengsheng: "Say something, I have limited time."

Me: "Mr. Wang, I know that your idea is to create a rational society, do you think your idea is correct? Do you really think that it is really possible for human beings to abandon their senses and achieve absolute rationality."

Wang Shengsheng: "Absolute rationality, that depends on what level you look at, if it is pure rationality, it belongs to the logical rationality, it cannot exist in reality, because there is a very realistic problem to be considered in reality, and this is a problem that all rational individuals must face."

Me: "What's the question?"

Wang Shengsheng: "The problem of survival: The purpose of any being's action is to obtain survival resources to survive.

Me: "So, what is your so-called rational world, why do you want to abandon sensing, do you think humans can leave sensing?"

Wang Shengsheng: "If broadly speaking, senseiness refers to the reception of external information by the senses, feedback to the human brain for processing, and the brain to analyze the information, and command after logical operations** The process of information contact, feedback and command is the same no matter what the individual is transferred to, even if it is artificial intelligence.

Me: "Yung, Mr. Wang, do you think humans shouldn't have yung?"

Wang Shengsheng: "You have changed your concept again. I am talking about unnecessary yung, not all yung. survival yun is the yung of every living thing. Do you think that people can abandon the survival yung?"

Me: "This...... It seems that it can't, but what is an unnecessary yung."

Wang Shengsheng: "A lot, for example, drug use, if you look at it from the perspective of Li Xing, drug use is naturally harmful to individual survival, but because people can't restrain their physiological yung, so there are still a lot of drug addicts. The big difference between humans and animals is that animals have seasons that correspond to the maturity period of plants, and humans have no fixed estrus period because of the continuous labor of primitive people. There are obstacles to many human behaviors.When a person's ** is too strong.** floods the brain, affects the clarity of thinking, this is harmful to a person's development, this is like a disease, and the human rationalization I emphasize is controlled through the science of the human body**.When the labor force of the society declines, the population needs to be kept undecreased, the human body will produce**.This is the theory of rational control."

Me: "In other words, Mr. Wang, do you want humans to be able to control everything through Lixing?"

Wang Shengsheng: "Yes, I am a rational supremacist, in the future, I will control the operation of all mankind, and I will stipulate that human beings should not have children."

Me: "Don't have children, do you want to stop human beings from having children, Mr. Wang, this will lead to the destruction of mankind."

Wang Shengsheng: "No, in the future, I will set up a special institution to be responsible for childbirth; the quantity and quality of newborns and the genetic design of individuals are completely in accordance with the needs of society; backward natural fertility will be eliminated; the traditional family model will also end; all newborns will be intensively educated by large concentration camps."

Me: "How can this be. How can the traditional family model be destroyed.

Wang Shengsheng: "The most important thing is to unite people's hearts, of course, there are many aspects, the most basic unit of the current state, is still the family, the current ruler's **, some of them come from the demands of family members and relatives, this is caused by the traditional family structure, the destruction of the traditional family structure, can be suppressed to a certain extent."

Me: "But, newborns always need parents, what about the love of parents for their children, what about the warmth of the family."

Wang Shengsheng:" That's because you already have the traditional family concept that you have the illusion of father's love and mother's love. If you are born an orphan, you will not have this concept. Moreover, the so-called father's love and mother's love, as well as the newborn's love for the mother, are just the race's instinct to protect the newborn and the weak newborn's dependence on their parents to seek protectionThe way in which human beings are combined will become small groups based on their work units and research directions."

Me: "Are you trying to transform humanity?"

Wang Shengsheng:" I'm just promoting the evolution of human beings.From ape man to primitive man.To ancient people.To modern human beings.What has been growing is human rationality.What has been degrading is the impulse of human primitive people.This is the direction of human evolution.Even if I don't do it.Human beings will evolve in the direction of rational xing.It's just that human evolution is too slow.It takes 200,000 years for the human brain to add a cubic centimeter of space.200,000 years.Resource consumption is too large.It is not as convenient as directly using technology to transform human beings.From this point of view,I'm just a promoter.I'm just a promoter.”

Me: "It's crazy, but what is the purpose of transforming human beings? Isn't our current life enough? Although there are many problems in our current society, but through the improvement of the system, we can gradually improve and develop. Why do we do such radical things?"

Wang Shengsheng:" You are too optimistic. I just want to tell you one thing: Human society from primitive society to the present, no matter what kind of system, slavery or feudalism, capitalism and so-called socialism, there is only one fact, that is, the rule of the Jingying class over the common people, most of the time the people are ruled by Jingying, it is because of their own lack of ability, and naturally through the way of elimination, those weak and non-Jingying characters are eliminated, and my idea is the opposite of natural elimination, instead of eliminating the weak and incompetent, it is better to transform the weak into Jingying, and improve their own ability and qualityBut because human abilities are innate, they cannot be changed, so we must use technology to improve human abilities at the genetic level, and remove the natural disadvantages of human beings."

Me: "It's crazy."

Wang Shengsheng:" This is the inevitable direction of human evolution after rationalization. Before human beings entered modern civilization in the past, how did the biological world evolve? Because animals do not have enough intelligence, they have no technology, they can only rely on the sky for food, they cannot use science and technology to produce new resources, they can only rely on plundering and appropriating the old resources of nature to survive. Once the resources are limited and the number of biological populations is too large, the number of members within the population has to be reduced to achieve a balance between the survival of the population and the consumption of resources. Those who have a weaker ability to obtain resources are the weaker and will be eliminated. This situation is placed in human society, that is war.”

With the growth of human intelligence, the progress of science and technology, this situation has been broken, human beings can create new resources through science and technology, meet the needs of their own survival and development, and no longer have to plunder because of limited resources. For example, Yuan Longping's hybrid rice alleviates the contradiction of insufficient food. Zhu Peikun's dry land, The rice that can be grown in saline-alkali land expands the area of land under cultivation, and it can solve the problem of a large number of people not being able to eat; once the most basic problem of survival, food, is solved, do you think that the peasant uprising will still occur, and will the war still be waged? which war in history will not be forced to occur because the peasants cannot survive because of the shortage of land and grain caused by excessive taxes and miscellaneous taxes?"

Me: "That's what you say...... There seems to be some truth to this, but in addition to the plundering of land and food, there are other aspects of competition, for example, men robbing women, which is also a kind of plunder."

Wang Shengsheng: "But this kind of snatching is an individual behavior, and it is impossible to rise to the level of group behavior. You will revolt because you and your brother can't eat, but you will not revolt because your brother was dumped by your girlfriend.

Me: "Married to survive."

Wang Shengsheng: "Yes, it is for survival, of course, this kind of survival is not the survival of individuals, but the survival of 'genes'."

Me: "Genetic Survival."

Wang Shengsheng: "That's right, this is about the origin of life, if I tell you that there are no human beings in this world, and there are no chickens, ducks, pigs, and dogs, would you believe it?"

Me: "How is that possible...... You're saying that all humans are hallucinators."

Wang Shengsheng: "That's pretty much what it means: In this world, although it seems that there are many species, but in the end, there is actually only one species, and that species is called 'gene'. If you know a certain amount of biology, you will know that the most primitive paramecium genes are very similar to human genes."

Me: "This ......"

Wang Shengsheng: "Let's use another analogy. Have you ever heard a joke: An alien came to Earth, and they said that the most powerful species on Earth is a creature called a 'car', and this creature is a kind of food called 'human', and once a human is in a 'car', the car can move."

Me: "What does that mean?"

Wang Shengsheng: "If you compare the human body to a car and genes to a driver, what do you think is the difference?"

Me: "..."

Wang Shengsheng: "That's right, there are no human beings in this world, there are no plants or animals, neither dinosaurs nor insects have existed since the beginning, there is only one species in this world, and that species is called 'genes' Birds, then, are different types of airplanes, rhinos are trucks, sharks are speedboats, humans are artificial intelligence, but humans use steel and silicon as raw materials to make machines, and genes use proteins, which are carbohydrates, as raw materials for making their tools. If you've ever seen Gundam, then genes are the equivalent of a driver sitting in a humanoid machine like Gundam."

Me: "This ...... It's not that simple."

Wang Shengsheng:" It's as simple as that. Any behavior of our human beings is just to ensure the survival of genes, just like the existence of robots, airplanes, and automobiles, which is for the continuation and development of human beings, and the straights inside the genes are the blueprints of manufacturing tools, and they can make survival machines of various shapes and functions from the raw material of protein. This is also the reason why the species in our world are rich and colorful. We are actually no different from dogs. We are no different from cats. We are just a bunch of genes with different combinations and shapes.”

Me: "It's like plasticine, but it's made into a different shape."

Wang Shengsheng: "You can use this analogy. Of course, the real situation process is much more complicated. I explain this. I just want to tell you that the so-called human mating, marriage, and union are just instructions from genes. Genes set up the signal of xing hormone in your brain to control your xing behavior, so as to achieve its self-replication and survival.

Me: "So...... Your purpose."

Wang Shengsheng: "Get rid of the cāo control of human minds by genes, let human thoughts be free from the control of genes, and thoughts should be controlled by genes instead of being controlled by genes.

Me: "Thoughts control genes in reverse. Is this possible?"

Wang Shengsheng: "Perhaps, before the development of human civilization, the world was the world of genes, but when human intelligence was born, the enemy of genes has already appeared, and that enemy is called thought. Thought has a strong vitality, it does not grow old and die like genes, it can be passed on from generation to generation, and the body that thinks the inheritance of life is the so-called 'culture'. Human civilization has only developed in 10,000 years, and there is no difference between the human body and the ancients. The human brain wants to change a little, even if it becomes a little smarter, it takes 200,000 years, so the brain of modern people is actually exactly the same as that of ancient people, but the reason why modern civilization is developed is because of the accumulation of culture, growth and inheritance.

"If human beings do not accumulate and precipitate culture, there will be no difference between you and your parents, your grandfathers, and your ancestors, because human beings are born with a blank brain and no knowledge.

"Thought is another kind of life that is manifested through the form of culture, and most of the culture is produced by genes about the useless components of yung and sense, which belong to cultural impurities, and only those laws of the world about truth, mathematical formulas, and physical laws are the real jinghua, and that is the highest level of thought, and my pursuit is to rationalize human beings, to get rid of the situation of being controlled by genes, and no matter what, to rationalize human beings to the greatest extent."

Me: "I'm still having a hard time accepting ......"

Wang Shengsheng: "It is understandable, because the human brain is born with an instinct, that is, the fear of being changed, in primitive society, the body is changed, it often means deformity, it means that it is not conducive to survival, it means death, so human beings also have the instinctive fear of becoming another form, but as long as that day comes, human beings will be forced to accept it, because those who do not accept it will be eliminated, and the rest are reformed."

Me: "But, why are you in such a hurry? Even if humanity can develop on its own, it can get to that point, and it doesn't have to be done by violence."

Wang Shengsheng: "Because of the lack of resources, human industrial civilization is now growing in an exponential explosive way, and the consumption of energy and resources by human industrial growth is increasing at an alarming rate every year. Do you know what the result will be if this continues? That is, energy is exhausted. Human beings no longer have any hope of entering the space stage, so they can only wait for death on the earth."

"The earth will become a cage that traps mankind; only by vigorously developing technology and developing nuclear fusion can we support mankind to enter the stage of space civilization; what is the fundamental purpose of the United States in attacking the Middle East and Iraq and Syria? In the final analysis, it is for energy and oil resources. And when the shale gas revolution in the United States began, the United States' dependence on oil in the Middle East has dropped to 80 million tons per year. Even the annual oil export of the United States has surpassed that of the Middle East, so war can be avoided. The United States does not need to spend a lot of money on war. This is an example of the development of science and technology to avoid war. In ancient times, science and technology were underdeveloped, and human beings survivedOnly then will we launch a war of plundering the resources of other lands; with the development of science and technology, shale gas, solar energy, wave energy, ocean infiltration energy, magma geothermal energy, the application of thorium nuclear reactions, the gradual solution of the problem of human energy, the solution of the problem of food by genetically modified and hybrid technology, and the need for mankind to wage war again; in fact, the real reason why mankind has not had a large-scale war is not nuclear weapons, but the development of science and technology, the avoidance of war caused by the continuous discovery of new resources, and as long as the development of science and technology does not stop for a day, and the development of new energy does not stop for a day, human war will never be launched.”

Me: "Wouldn't that be great?"

Wang Shengsheng: "No, far from enough, although it is a golden age at present, it is still far from enough. With the current speed of industrial development and the amount of earth resources, human energy is far from enough. Shale gas can only support human development for less than 1,000 years, and solar and wind energy, and water energy are too little after all, and it is impossible to meet all the needs of human development. When the day of energy exhaustion, human industrial civilization will come to an end. How can human beings, who are accustomed to industrial civilization, accept the regression of civilization.

Me: "Isn't there still nuclear fission, and, for a long time, humanity will find other alternative energy sources."

Wang Shengsheng: "Nuclear fission only delays the decline of human civilization; only nuclear fusion can fundamentally solve the problem of human energy; the reason is very simple; the energy of nuclear fusion is much more powerful than nuclear fission; moreover, a large number of new materials can be produced in the process of nuclear fusion. This is the inevitable need of human civilization to enter space; if human beings do not enter the space civilization, then, they will not be able to develop space resources, and in the end they will have to wait for death on the earth."

Me: "But...... Aren't there thousands of years left?"

Wang Shengsheng:" Hehe, you're too optimistic, millennium is just a limit, because in addition to energy, human beings are still dependent on materials, even if the energy problem can be solved, but how to solve the material problem, automobiles, machine parts manufacturing needs steel, even if you have energy, no steel and other materials are useless, and this is also the advantage of nuclear fusion, nuclear fusion can produce all the material from helium to iron, by that day, human beings can artificially make all materials, cars will become cabbage prices, nuclear fusion can use the seawater of the entire sea as an energy source, at least it can support human beings for tens of thousands of yearsAnd the nuclear fusion resources on the moon and other planets are enough to spread human civilization to the whole universe.

In addition, nuclear fusion can create artificial small suns; with small suns, rice and other crops can be grown anywhere all year round; four or even six crops a year; at that time, the problem of human food and clothing will be completely solved; this is the power of nuclear fusion. The existing reserves of oil and coal can only support human use for several more decades; although there are many alternative energy sources for oil, there are too few solar energy sources to meet human needs; hydrogen energy and combustible ice are very expensive to develop. nuclear fission pollution is very serious; if there is no alternative energy source for decades, human beings will inevitably have a large-scale warIn the end, it will lead to the decline and even extinction of civilization, and whether human civilization can exist and continue.

Me: "...... But what does that have to do with the reasoning you're preaching?"

Wang Shengsheng:" It's very simple. Nowadays, people have not realized the importance of nuclear fusion, but have begun to enjoy life. A large number of rich second and third generations have known to enjoy since childhood, but do not know the importance of scientific and cultural literacy. There are even many students who skip class because of their disgust with their studies.”

"In addition, human beings, because of their habitual experience and way of thinking, tend to cling to old knowledge, and are stubborn about what has entered their brains, so that they do not accept new truths, while rational people are not like that.

"You know, habitual thinking, vested interests are the biggest obstacle to the new productive forces, especially a large number of officials, civil servants, and the entertainment industry, which is a waste of social resources, and civil servants themselves do not produce any products, but they enjoy the fruits of other laborers' production, and the way is through taxation, and the way of survival of civil servants and the like is only the distribution of resources produced by laborers.”

Me: "But you're also a civil servant."

Wang Shengsheng: "I just chose the path of a civil servant to facilitate my plan."

Me: "So, your plan is to smash the vested interests that hinder the development of productive forces and human progress."

Wang Shengsheng: "That's just my plan at the present stage; At present, the eight ministries I lead are carrying out activities to smash interest groups on the one hand, and on the other hand, they are also promoting investment in science and technology and education, creating a large number of talents, and promoting the development of science and technology.

"So at this stage, it is to waste a lot of resources that are squandered on the development of science and technology, which will only create the resources that hinder the development of human potential, and in the face of science and technology and human survival, whether it is art, entertainment, or enjoyment, it is all secondary."

Me: "So, for this purpose, you need to take care of Xing."

Wang Shengsheng: "Yes, you need to be reckless."

Me: "To survive, to lose so much, is it worth it, to survive, to lose friendship, to lose love, to lose family, do you think it's worth it?"

Wang Shengsheng: "As I said, the so-called emotions are just the product of human brain hormones; Specifically, they are produced in order to maintain the interdependence between individuals and maintain mutual satisfaction with each other's interests.

Me: "But, you can't deny that some people can give up their lives for love, which violates the saying that survival is the first need."

Wang Shengsheng: "I said, the purpose of human survival is to maintain the survival of genes, human reproduction is the way of genes to maintain survival through self-replication, and love is the means of reproduction, is to achieve self-replication of genes, and to maintain the means of not dying. Therefore, the essence of the so-called love is survival, and giving up life for the sake of love is actually equivalent to giving up survival for the sake of survival. This is not very great. In fact, love and survival are originally equated."

Me: "Some people fall out of love and commit suicide, which is equivalent to losing the chance of gene replication to survive. So when there is no chance of survival, it is better to die.

Wang Shengsheng: "Yes, you finally understood."

Me: "But, according to what you say, the purpose of any human action is to survive."

Wang Shengsheng: "Yes, in order to survive."

Me: "But there are some behaviors that are not for survival, such as scientific exploration, scientific research, such as listening to music, art and painting, such as entertainment, are these all for survival?"

Wang Shengsheng:" The purpose of scientific and technological research is to make tools to facilitate human life and survival. The reason for scientific exploration is human curiosity. But do you know the origin of human curiosity? Human curiosity originated from the human or animal period. Animals can find the law through the exploration of the natural world to use the law to ensure their own survival, or find natural enemies and crises and escape in time, or can find new food and new resources through the exploration of new territory.”

"And listening to music, to put it bluntly, is because of emotions, the essence of music comes from human cries and laughter, music can touch people's emotions, because music is similar to the cries of human beings when they are not yet speechless, sharp music makes people nervous, deep music makes people depressed, because music and human tone are often very similar, and human emotions are just expressions of the condition of the human system.' 'Crying' is an expression when a person's body is not in good condition.' Laughter is an expression of the human body when it is in good condition, and the purpose of expressing these emotions is to tell other compatriots in the population about survival, so that other compatriots can judge whether there is a crisis through your condition, so as to keep the whole population alive and not perish."

"As for the so-called painting, it was originally just because the human brain memory ability was too poor, and it was just a tool to help one's own memory. If you can completely remember the details of every corner of a forest by relying on the memory of the brain, do you still need to paint? The original purpose of painting is to convey information, for example, a primitive man discovered a fruit forest, and he told his accomplices information through painting. This is essentially for survival."

"There is also entertainment.It's also very simple.The essence of entertainment and games is nothing more than two.One is to exercise one's survival skills.The second is to simulate the game.Through competition to produce a sense of superiority.Kittens like to play with yarn ball.This is an example of the ability to catch mice by playing yarn ball.And the vast majority of human games.For example, chess, cards, and competitions.In the final analysis, they are all through the game to win.So as to obtain resources.Or prove that their genes are better.They are more valuable for survival.It is not easy to be eliminated.In the final analysis, it is still for survival.Why do humans compare and show offBecause they prove that their genes are better by showing off and comparing, so as to attract aliens, so as to get the opportunity to continue their genes, in the final analysis, it is for the survival of genes, survival, in the end, everything is for survival."

Me: "But...... What is the purpose of survival, and what is the end of existence?"

Wang Shengsheng: "There is no purpose, that is, the self-retention of ordered information is the chemical essence of genes, which is a macromolecule, life, in the final analysis, is just a kind of self-retention of ordered information, and it is just to maintain the orderly retention of one's own information by obtaining energy from the outside world and the building blocks of the body's basic substances.

Me: "So your purpose is to make human civilization last a little longer."

Wang Shengsheng: "It should be said that it is civilization, but it is not necessarily human civilization."

Me: "How?"

Wang Shengsheng: "Because the human body is too limited, too delicate, human protein, carbohydrate body is too delicate, protein can't survive in temperatures above 100 degrees, can't survive in temperatures of dozens of degrees below zero, still needs oxygen, needs water, needs gravity, needs food and other substances, can't resist radiation, and there are many extreme environments in the universe. Maybe at that time, it will be a mechanical civilization that will replace human civilization, and it is very likely that mechanical civilization will take over the baton of human civilization, continue to develop, and sow the seeds of civilization all over the universe."

Me: "So, for the sake of civilization's survival, do you do whatever it takes?"

Wang Shengsheng: "That's right, as long as the concept is correct, the means don't matter at all, even if I slaughter human civilization to the point that there are only 1,000 people left for the sake of the continuation of human civilization, the 1,000 people who have gone to the stage of space civilization will not forget what I have done now, I care about the breadth of civilization's existence, and I care more about the length of civilization's existence."

"You know, at present, judging from the appearance of the universe, the universe is in a state of great silence, and no signs of life or civilization have been found. It can be inferred from this that civilizations that can spread in the universe on a large scale and continue for a long time are extremely rare, and may not even exist at allAccording to the American scholar Robinhanson's speculation, there are nine layers of such a sieve, and the Great Silence indicates that one or more of these layers of sieves must be extremely difficult to pass through. Now the question is, whether those extremely difficult death sieves are behind us or in front. From the point of view of the Great Silence, it is very likely that human beings have already passed through one or several layers of death sieves, because if no aliens can be found, it means that most of them are still in the sieve and have not passed through the other sideWhen intelligent life on a planet can use nuclear fusion, it means that it has reached the first stage of civilization, and when it can use the energy of the entire planetary system, it has reached the second level, and when it can use the entire galaxy, it means that it has reached the third stage. For the continuation of civilization, in order to go to the space stage, human beings must be transformed, human beings must not be eliminated by the screening mechanism, I must assume the responsibility for human development, and with the current backward capabilities of human beings and the shortcomings that exist in their nature, it is difficult for human beings to enter the advanced civilization, so I must act as a promoter to promote this process, accelerate the development of science and technology, and avoid human internal frictionImproving the quality of all human beings...... I don't see that day coming, but I won't regret it."

Me: "Actually, I already know what the future you've created looks like, because Gololi has already told me, I'm conflicted, because I think you're right, but it's hard for me to accept."

Wang Shengsheng: "I don't ask for your understanding, but no matter what, please remember one sentence: Our journey is the sea of stars."

This is the end of the visit to Wang Shengsheng.My heart is hard to calm for a long time.Because Wangshengsheng's words remind me of the future described by Golori.Is it true that human beings are destined to be eliminated?Delicate human beings are destined not to reach the depths of the brilliant starry sky.Touch the sunlight from another planet with an ancient and warm hand.

Survive.

It's all about survival.

But what is the end of life for?

If the end of the universe is only destruction, then what is we now dying and prolonging our existence?

When I think of this, I can't help but feel depressed, and it seems that the universe is doomed to destruction, and civilization is doomed......

Civilization wants eternal life unless there is an endless source of energy.

Endless energy ......

Walking on the way back, I suddenly thought of Miyoko.

Zhu Qingyun said, "Meiyezi is an infinite source of energy.

If you want civilization to continue, you want to pursue eternal life...... is the last hope.

Perhaps, it's time to meet this woman who is enough to turn the world upside down.