Bai Zongyi said: "Can we adopt another way, that is, Xinpu Iron and Steel belongs to Xinpu Iron and Steel, but in addition to Xinpu Iron and Steel, we will set up an industrial group, and put all the small tertiary industries and small industries of Lao Pugang into this industrial group, unified management and development, and gradually carry out restructuring for those who meet the conditions? ”

There are also several opinions in the city on the relocation and new construction of Pudong Iron and Steel and the disposal of the old Pudong Iron and Steel Group. Among them, the mainstream opinion is that, as Bai Zongyi just said, Xinpu Iron and Steel adopts a new management system, and the old Pugang is being demolished and changed at the same time, and the brand of the old Pugang is still there, without change, and the small tertiary industry and small industry to which the old Pugang belongs are also gradually restructured.

The advantage of this approach is that it can minimize the resistance to the relocation of Pudong Iron and Steel Co., Ltd., according to this plan, the old Pugang still exists, but the steel part is moved away, and the other parts remain unchanged, so the employees of the tertiary industry and the small industry have no reason to raise objections.

But in Bao Feiyang's view, this approach is to deceive himself and others, and the small tertiary industry and small industry that have left Pudong Iron and Steel have no ability to survive at all, and sooner or later they will go bankrupt. And the future has also proved that such a small tertiary industry, small industry, individual, private enterprises are more flexible, of course, no matter which industry, there are giants exist and form, the same is true of these small tertiary industries and small industries of Pudong Iron and Steel, but the possibility of them becoming giants is too small, unless Bao Feiyang is willing to spend a lot of energy on it.

Therefore, judging from past practice, the results of the small tertiary industry and small industry under the public ownership system are not very good, but after liberalization, they will be able to invigorate them.

Bao Feiyang is more inclined to take advantage of the opportunity of the relocation of Pudong Iron and Steel to directly open up all the small tertiary industries and small industries under Pudong Iron and Steel, sell all the products that can be sold, and try to transform the system as much as possible.

In contrast, Bai Zongyi is more inclined to be conservative, first keeping the situation of these small tertiary industries and small industries unchanged, and then forming Xinpu Iron and Steel Co., Ltd., and then gradually improving the operation of these small tertiary industries and small industries, or carrying out restructuring.

In this way, the resistance and variables of the relocation of Pudong Iron and Steel can be reduced, Bai Zongyi said: "The reform can not be rushed, especially in the critical period of the construction of Xinpu Iron and Steel, if the large-scale reform of small tertiary industry and small industry, to solve the problem of the placement of more than 10,000 employees, the slightest carelessness will trigger a fierce reaction, will cause unnecessary trouble to the construction of new Pudong Iron and Steel......

Bai Zongyi did not oppose the restructuring of small tertiary industries and small industries, but he did not think there was any need to be in a hurry.

Bao Feiyang shook his head and said: "These small tertiary industries and small industries were originally intended to provide services for Pudong Iron and Steel Co., Ltd., or the surrounding small industries, and now after the steel business of Pushan Iron and Steel is moved away, these small tertiary industries and small industries have lost the foundation on which they rely for survival, and only reform can stimulate their vitality, otherwise they can only wait for death without ...... death."

Bao Feiyang's words are very heavy, but in fact, everyone knows that he is telling the truth, and everyone knows very well what the situation of the small tertiary industry and small industry is now. To put it bluntly, some of these small tertiary industries and small industries still provide supporting services for enterprises at the beginning, or expand the business scope for enterprises, but later, they basically become places for enterprises to place surplus personnel. On the one hand, Pudong Iron and Steel has to lay off redundant personnel, and often stuff older and unskilled employees into small tertiary industries and small industries, and on the other hand, in order to take care of employees, their spouses and children are often arranged into these enterprises, resulting in the redundant situation of these enterprises becoming more and more serious. Even many cadres and family members of related households have been suspended to small tertiary industries and small industries to eat empty salaries, and have become shelters for professional households with empty salaries.

Not only that, the small tertiary industry, small industry is still a shelter for incompetent cadres, state-owned enterprises, the management system is rigid, can not go up or down, many middle-level cadres no matter how they became cadres before, after going up, whether it is incompetent, unable to complete the performance, there is a responsibility accident such as business fire safety, or there are style problems, etc., obviously not suitable for cadres, but will not be dismissed or demoted, some continue to be a vegetarian meal, and some are arranged to the small tertiary industry, Small businesses continue to serve as cadres of the same rank. Therefore, there are often a large number of leaders of small tertiary industries and small industries, and some units even have more leaders than employees. And these leading cadres not only maintain the original welfare benefits, but also grasp the corresponding level of power, with this kind of cadre work ability, you can imagine what they will make the enterprise look like!

To a certain extent, most of the current small tertiary industries and small industries have been reduced to garbage stations. The cadres that the main enterprise does not want, the employees that do not want, and the related households that are difficult to deal with are all put into the small tertiary industry and small industry. Some small industries even have to bear the losses and mistakes of the main enterprises......

Once Pudong Iron and Steel does not provide these businesses, these small tertiary industries must go to the market to find business, and with their staffing and management methods, it is basically a dead end. At that time, they will still be a burden to SPG, no different from now.

Bai Zongyi hurriedly said, "District Chief Bao, you misunderstood what I meant. I didn't say that we don't care about these small tertiary industries and small industries, after leaving Pudong Iron and Steel Group, these small tertiary industries and small industries will naturally have to be reformed, but we should not be in a hurry, but should be slowly ......."

Bao Feiyang shook his head: "Mr. Bai, of course we don't need to be in a hurry, but we must also seize the day, otherwise after these small tertiary industries and small industries are separated from Pudong Iron and Steel, the business conditions will not be improved, the income of employees will not be guaranteed, and we will not be able to explain to everyone." Therefore, the restructuring of the small tertiary industry and the small industry must be started simultaneously!"

Bai Zongyi frowned when he heard this, in his opinion, the reform of the small tertiary industry and small industry is a minefield, and it will explode if it is touched!

However, Bao Feiyang's words also made him unable to refute, Chen Guangtong, deputy director of the Labor Bureau, said: "Whether the small tertiary industry and small industry should be restructured, and what the pace of restructuring is, this needs to be decided by the city." Our meeting today will only discuss the direction, principles, and principles of personnel resettlement, and no matter what Xinpu Iron and Steel does to do it, there will certainly be some surplus personnel, and the small tertiary industry and small industry will have to be adjusted, and there will also be problems in this regard, and we will discuss the methods that can be adopted one by one according to the possible situation......

There are some decision-making issues that the participants at this meeting are not in a position to decide. And the personnel placement work needs to be done in advance, so they can only make different plans according to different situations, and then let the above choose.

Chen Guangtong said: "According to past experience, similar situations, generally speaking, the method used for the arrangement of surplus personnel includes the transfer of transfers, that is, some people are transferred to other units, and the transfer does not involve the change of employee status, which is relatively simple, but in the current situation, there are not many enterprises that can accept employees, and it can even be said that there are basically none, so in addition to the possible transfer of some managers, only a very few employees have this opportunity, so don't count on this method!"

"In addition to the transfer and transfer, there are laid-off unemployed, early retirement, identity buyout and other methods, in which the identity buyout can be through the way of buying out the length of service, after the buyout of the length of service, the employee and Pudong Iron and Steel completely dissociated, insurance into the social security system, their own employment problem ......"

Buying out seniority is also a regular way for state-owned enterprises to solve employee problems, and when enterprises reduce redundant personnel, or when restructuring is acquired, or even stop production and close down, they often solve the identity problem of employees at one time. The advantage of buying out the length of service is obvious, that is, it can break the iron rice bowl of the past, push the redundant workers to the market, and find jobs independently, so as to reduce the burden of the enterprise, but there are many problems, the biggest problem is that a large amount of money is needed, which is a very big burden for enterprises and the government.

In fact, the state does not support this statement, and the correct statement should be economic compensation, which is similar to the form of economic compensation for the termination of labor contracts by enterprises in the future, which is similar to the form of economic compensation for N+1 months according to the length of service after the labor law is perfected.

Strictly speaking, buying out the length of service is "compensation for the termination of the labor contract", but the early implementation of the fixed employment system in the public enterprises of Huaxia State is a fixed employment system, that is to say, once a person becomes an employee of the enterprise, he is a person of the enterprise from then on, until death, from work to life, birth, old age, sickness and death, all are the affairs of the enterprise, which is the so-called iron rice bowl. Iron rice bowl can theoretically improve employees' loyalty to the enterprise and stabilize the workforce, but over time, it is also easy to cause employees to not want to forge ahead and get by.

Since the beginning of reform and opening up, the reform of state-owned enterprises has been carried out in the course of experimentation, from expanding the autonomy of enterprises, to changing profits into taxes, to implementing the economic responsibility system, to implementing the responsibility system for contract management, and then to establishing a modern enterprise system that began in '93. In the area of employees, they have also changed from fixed employment to contract employment, such as the current Pujiang Iron and Steel, most employees have signed the so-called labor contract.

However, most of these so-called labor contracts are mere formalities, and there is still no way for enterprises to lay off redundant or unqualified employees as needed, which does not change the characteristics of the lifelong system of employees in state-owned enterprises. In fact, these employees are still for life, and it is impossible to be terminated at the end of the contract.